Talk:Atlas Comics (1950s)
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[edit] POV tag
Good point. Since those historical trends are historical have been written about widely, including in the Gerard Jones book, we should cite and attribute. I'll start digging. --Tenebrae 00:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Then why did my tag get removed? Explain to me how Atlas can 'follow an EC horror trend' several months before EC had put out its first horror book? I collect Atlas books and I have always resented the implication that they 'copied' EC. Anyone who has actually read both companies' books then would see that. It is still full of POV statements. Calling the books 'trash' is not NPOV. I came to this article not looking for a fight but I was surprised to see Atlas getting bashed throughout the article. In the future, dont remove my tags until you have solved the issues...so far it appears almost unchanged save for a single citation. Atlas upped the amount of Horror titles upon EC's success, but they had been putting out horror books for several months. (the earliest one I recall was the mostly horror 'Captain America's Weird tales' #74 - which other than the Red Skull vs. Captain America in Hell battle, the rest of the book feature horror stories) EC was still putting out Moon Girl at this time. I ask that you at least changed the wording (and the name of the section) to sound less POV. user:Pzg Ratzinger
- Found the "trash" reference and edited that paragraph to try to remove some of the POV.
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- The "single citation" is, first of all, two citations within the same source, namely an authorized company history written by a highly notable comics historian, Les Daniels. Second, the citations include Stan Lee himself saying Martin Goodman had him and Atlas follow EC's lead on horror.
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- I understand you're a fan, which is great. But that might not give one an objective eye. When longtime author-historian Les Daniels and witness and first-person-source Stan Lee are saying Atlas was a trend-follower, I don't know how that subhead could be construed as POV. It's not a judgment on Atlas; it's just an encapsulated statement of what was, in fact, a very successful business practice. --Tenebrae 19:51, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
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- Fair enough, but the article implys they 'copied' EC, but yet they got into the horror business before EC did. I do agree though, that as soon as EC took off, they tripled the number of horror titles put out and even revamped several titles to be horror (such as Journey Into Unknown Worlds). This can be reworded to satisfy my POV concerns without removing your point (which I understand). As you are the priciple author of this article I will leave that up to you, I know how it feels to have someone hijack an article. Maybe I am not 100% objective, but who is? As one of a realitively small circle of Atlas collectors, I probably know more of the subject then many people so I hope you'll take my criticism as constructive, rather than just a case of 'I want my biased POV instead of yours' user:Pzg Ratzinger
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- We're all editors together; I may have written most of this article, but it's by no means "mine," and personally, I wish more editors like you were expanding on pertinent facts and details here. It's great to have another person knowledgeable about Atlas here.
- One cautionary note, if I may: Because of Wikipedia's stricture against original research, our own knowledge is important only in a sense of perspective and the notability of thiongs, since all our statements need to be confirmed by a print or online source.
- You can edit, I can edit, all of us can edit — and other editors will edit us in turn. No permission needed in any case! Since I'm here, I'll try to tweak the text to address any concerns. Happy Wiki'ing! — Tenebrae 17:55, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
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- Of course, but one's knowledge may help note the reliability of sources. I am strongly against Original Research, I am liberal with my use of the tag on other articles, so you wouldnt get any of that from me. I unfortunatly lack a third party source, however, for some of what I had said. I can look at the cover dates and see Atlas' fist horror books were back when EC was still doing Moon Girl, western and crime books. I am proceeding carefully until you and I have reached a consensus. user:Pzg Ratzinger
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- Cool!
- I've actually already added information to the pertinent footnote to address the issue of Atlas having a couple of horror comics as early as 1949, if you get a chance to see it.
- Quick Wiki-etiquette note: It's best not to insert a different editor's comments inside of an editor's posting. It can make things confusing. Better to keep each signed posting separate. Thanks!--Tenebrae 03:48, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, Marvel Tales is probably the first full book of horror stories by Atlas, dated 1949, although they had the Captain America's Weird Tales at about the same time also (I suspect they were to going to change the title to "Weird tales" at some point but instead canned the title. user:Pzg Ratzinger
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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Atlas interior logo.jpg
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- FUR added. --Tenebrae 19:09, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:StrangeTales79.jpg
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