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Contents 1 Closing administrator's remarks 1.1 Raw count analysis 1.2 Rough consensus rationale 1.2.1 Delete arguments 1.2.2 Discounted delete arguments 1.2.3 Keep arguments 1.2.4 Discounted keep arguments

[edit] Closing administrator's remarks

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[edit] Raw count analysis

• Delete

1. Otto4711 <afd nominator> (14 edits)
2. Doctorfluffy
3. Tevildo
4. Masterpiece2000
5. Revanche
6. Ridernyc (8 edits)

• Keep

1. CyberGhostface (13 edits)
2. Wageless (5 edits)
3. Hobit
4. Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles
5. Agent452 (3 edits)

• Merge
  • to Jigsaw Killer

1. Master of Puppets
2. Lenin and McCarthy (2 edits)
3. Jackel (said "delete then merge")

• Non-participatory

1. DGG (commented on process, but not article or subject)
2. SineBot (doing what sinebot does)
3. Jerry (relist without any commentary) <closer>

[edit] Rough consensus rationale

[edit] Delete arguments

• fails WP:NOT#PLOT
• no reliable sources to establish real-world context
• sources provided are not independant of the subject or are obviously biased towards it

[edit] Discounted delete arguments

• another movie prop is more notable and doesn't have it's own article
• no reason for this to have it's own article
• the subject is not unique
• no sources with critical commentary

[edit] Keep arguments

• since nomination article has been improved to include subject's development outside of films, its impact on the series and on popular culture
• a link provided in the article is a review of the subject
• iconic part of notable film series
• subject achieved a cultural presence that is independent of the movie
• of interest to the reader, provides encyclopedic content

[edit] Discounted keep arguments

• subject marketed as various consumer goods
• subject shown in promotional materials for notable films in which it appears
• article is well written
• verifiable; concerns a recognizable aspect of a notable film series
• sources are clearly there
• seems notable
• no harm caused by keeping this article
• inherits notability from notable film series
• if we delete it what will it's editors do?

As the nominator pointed-out several times during the course of this discussion, it was given ample time to reach consensus. This did not occur, however. Ergo: No consensus (default keep) JERRY ^talk _contribs 02:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)