Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tenebrae (album)

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The result was Delete. Notability has not been established.. Fabrictramp (talk) 20:52, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tenebrae (album)

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Fails to meet notability requirements (per WP:Music and WP:Notability). A self-released album with no significant coverage in any independent reliable sources. Dgf32 (talk) 21:41, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete As nom mentioned, fails WP:MUSIC. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 21:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep According to notability requirement - i.e. "Notability is met if the musician has been the subject of a broadcast by a media network." It has been broadcast over radio and television. I will refer to one such broadcast: Punchbowl1030 (talk) 23:00, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

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• Keep Another measure submitted as proof of notability is appearance on charts. It has been placed into rotation on CMJ radio and placed in the Euro Americana Charts in January. Here is a record of chart placement for Tenebrae from the Roots Music Report: Punchbowl1030 (talk) 23:00, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

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• Please don't !vote more than once. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 00:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep meets WP:MUSIC in more than one area.  Esradekan Gibb  ^"Talk" 23:15, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Which areas does this album meet the notability requirements at WP:Music? Please remember that this is a discussion for building consensus, not a vote. Dgf32 (talk) 00:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 23:30, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

comment I can't see any sources via my usual touchstone, google news [3]. Merkin's mum 23:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete It's usually a bad sign when an album's artist is a red link. Closing admin: Please note that the artist in question doesn't appear to be sufficiently notable (the chart cited by Punchbowl1030 (talk · contribs) isn't a major chart by any means), and that there is no proof that the artist was played on CMJ radio or a major TV network. Therefore, the artist seems to fail WP:MUSIC entirely, and so does their album. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 00:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Its a real album, made by a real artists who play real shows to real people. Keep it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramonalisa (talk • contribs) 03:18, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

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• Strong delete. Album by a non-notable redlinked artist, with no assertion of notability of the album made in the text of the article. —C.Fred (talk) 03:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC), edited 19:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
• Weak keep The footnote links seem to demonstrate some notability (although a couple are blogs). JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 04:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - not notable. X Marx The Spot (talk) 06:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Citation - Radio: [4] Radio: [5] WGN TV: [6] A simple search on artist/album yields other sufficient notability requirements.Punchbowl1030 (talk) 06:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

• None of those is significant coverage, however -- they don't really show notability, they just vaguely mention the artist. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 19:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
• Hrm. The Lake Effect piece is borderline. It seems to be an interview with the artist, but interspersed with live performances, but not all off of Tenebrae. The other two links are trivial coverage. —C.Fred (talk) 19:16, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment I would suggest maybe moving this page to Mike Mangione, since he seems to be borderline notable. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 19:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

• I've clarified my deletion rationale above. I agree that, given the interviews, a case could be made for Mangione to have an article. I would not object to the article being moved to Mangione, and/or I would encourage an article to be developed for him, since we're getting close to enough sources for the multiple non-trivial coverage criterion of WP:MUSIC. —C.Fred (talk) 19:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete'. As others have argued here, Mike Mangione may be sufficiently notable for an article, but I don't think this album is. Terraxos (talk) 16:49, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.