Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lesley Smith

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Kurykh 23:33, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lesley Smith

Lesley Smith (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Non-notable presenter. Oli Filth 00:06, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 14:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

• Keep per my clean up. Subject satisfies WP:BIO. --Evb-wiki 14:46, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Delete How does this pass WP:BIO ? The first "source" is just an interview with the subject in question -- that is not independant/3rd party. The second "source" is just a link to the website of her employer. --sumnjim ^{talk with me·changes} 15:39, 9 August 2007 (UTC) (changing vote to Keep per article cleanup) --sumnjim ^{talk with me·changes} 12:01, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
  • I suggest she falls under Creative Professional - "The person's work either . . . (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries, museums or internationally significant libraries." --Evb-wiki 16:17, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

• I guess it's all up to interpretation, but I don't see how a historian for basically what is a museum or whatnot, is a creative professional? Actually, to be more bold, there is no way in hell she is a creative professional. She's just historian. She's not an author, or an artist, or anything of the sort, has no WP:RS, and has done nothing of notable interest --sumnjim ^{talk with me·changes} 17:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

• According to WP:BIO, creative professionals include "scientists, academics, economists, professors, authors, editors, journalists, filmmakers, photographers, artists, architects, engineers, and other creative professionals." IMO, Smith's work as curator of Tutbury Castle and the historic research project qualifies her. --Evb-wiki 18:06, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Well as I said, it's up to interpretation, and IMO, her being a historian is not even close to being a "creative professional". --sumnjim ^{talk with me·changes} 18:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. No independent sources, no notability. Cap'n Walker 16:22, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Unless substantial evidence can be obtained to support Evb-wiki. At this point, we have a website to her employer, a link to a story on how she received an honorary degree, a link to a press release by a university where she performed research with students, and an interview with the TV station that carries her show. Not satisfactory at all.--Sethacus 16:27, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
• Strong keep - well-known minor UK television celebrity, and also acclaimed historian and heritage publicist. Could those who voted Delete have another look? I've considerably upgraded the detail and sourcing. Gordonofcartoon 00:38, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
• I've changed to keep, though not resounding, yet, and based on my own findings, specifically this article. I couldn't find the articles mentioned in the Lesley Smith article on the websites for the publications listed. Is there any way I could get my hands on those. Say, links?--Sethacus 06:30, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

The unlinked ones are either too old to be live on their sites, or else unarchived: they come from the NewsBank online UK newspaper archive (for which you need either a subscription or, as in my case, library ticket home access). If you had your e-mail option activated, I could send them. Gordonofcartoon 09:10, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I've been a little gunshy about email since my old account was compromised. I've enabled email now, so you should have no problem.--Sethacus 15:22, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

OK. Sent. Gordonofcartoon 16:15, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Change to strong keep upon receiving hard copy of the cited articles, which satisfy notability.--Sethacus 03:17, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

• Keep per Evb-wiki Mathmo ^Talk 04:30, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
• Week Keep with clean up Harlowraman 23:11, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.