Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim Raley

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Coredesat 07:22, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jim Raley

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This preacher's notability appears to rest solely on the fact he has a TV show on some of the largest Christian networks, but I can find no references that show this is actually true. For instance, this Google search returns only one hit - this Wikipedia page. The show does exist, but I can only find references to it being on AOL TV and INSP - though it isn't even mentioned there. Black Kite 10:35, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

• Strong Keep - 1) Jim Raley certainly exists [1] and is what the article claims him to be, ergo this is not a hoax. 2) Possess the Land certainly exists [2] so that is not a hoax either. 3) Possess the Land is shown on TBN [3] so that is not a hoax either. 4) Jim Raley does appear on Possess the Land [4]. It seems that what we have here is a failure for Google to be used properly. Try more appropriate search terms next time you use Google. Dyinghappy (talk) 15:03, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. Maybe an article for Possess the Land should be created, and this article be merged there.--h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 15:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
• Comment. I did not suggest a hoax. Yes, Jim Raley certainly exists. Yes, "Possess The Land" certainly exists. Yes, Jim Raley appears on "Possess The Land". None of those make Jim Raley notable. Your link definitely does not confirm that "Possess The Land" appears on TBN (in fact, it's almost completely irrelevant - what it actually says is that a third party, Calvary Christian Center, has been featured on TBN and also on "Possess The Land"). And even if such a reference was found, that would only establish the notability of "Possess The Land", not Mr.Raley ,for whom independent notability has not been established. Black Kite 15:54, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete I cannot find Possess the Land OR Jim Raley on TBN's official website, which has a guide to its programming, searchable by both hosts and show title. Like Black Kite, I would be willing to change my vote if I could see something from Trinity Broadcasting that shows otherwise. That's one hell of a claim, so it's disturbing that the TBN website doesn't confirm these facts. Mandsford (talk) 17:46, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as per Mandsford. Jason Harvestdancer | Talk to me 17:42, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
• Comment User:Dyinghappy has inserted links into the article, including the one above which claim to show the show is broadcasted by TBN or Daystar. I have reverted these changes as they plainly do not show this, and left a note on the user's talkpage. I would be quite happy to withdraw this AfD (or at least redirect it to a new article Possess This Land) if such assertions could be proved, but as yet they are not. Black Kite 00:49, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
• The article was created with false information, an assertion that a person's show was "regularly" broadcast on one of the major religious cable networks. While I don't think it was intended as deception, that lack of attention to accuracy doesn't give me any assurance about the reliability of any other "fact" included in the article. Mandsford (talk) 01:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

• Count me out of this AFD and all future ones. If this is the way that people behave, I don't want any part of it. And please don't message me with nonsense. Dyinghappy (talk) 01:50, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
• No problem. I can see where the mistake came about. cite #3 says that Mark & Gina Groover have been "featured on TBN's Praise the Lord" as well as "Calvary's flagship television broadcast Possess the Land". Two different shows. Honest mistake, but one that might not have been spotted if it weren't for Black Kite's so-called behavior. Have faith in the word of Christ-- be skeptical when it comes to anybody else. Mandsford (talk) 03:33, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

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