Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Duff Energy Drink

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Duff Beer (The Simpsons). It may not be part of the movie promotion but still doesn't warrant an article of its own. — Malcolm (talk) 01:44, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Duff Energy Drink

Duff Energy Drink (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Flaming Moe Energy Drink (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

I suspect a hoax, but even beyond that we have no references of any kind (WP:V), and no explaination of why the subject is important (WP:N). Google search not promising: [1] Marasmusine 08:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe Redirect to Duff Beer (The Simpsons) for Duff Energy Drink and Delete Flaming Moe Energy Drink. --Lenticel ^(talk) 10:26, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

• These are not a hoax, they are products from the 7-Eleven Kwik-E-Mart promotion to advertise The Simpsons Movie. Still they don't deserve there own page. So Redirect "Duff Energy Drink" to Duff Beer (The Simpsons) and Redirect "Flaming Moe Energy Drink" to List of products in The Simpsons. Gran² 11:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
• Duffman says "Redirect per Gran². Oh, yeah!" Promotional products don't merit articles of their own. Clarityfiend 13:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to whatever page is covering the Simpson's movie promotions, which themselves merit coverage as a collective. FrozenPurpleCube 17:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
• I'm going with a merge to The_Simpsons_Movie#Marketing or Kwik-E-Mart#7-Eleven_promotion. (rationale for change below) Info is rather interesting but doesn't deserve their own articles and should be placed in the articles where they actually have context, as promotional items for the movie. Shrumster 17:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

• Changing my vote up there to Merge and redirect to Duff Beer (The Simpsons). Apparently, it already *is* on the Duff Beer article, albeit just a stub sentence and an external link (which should satisfy verifiability). Merge just the relevant, encyclopedic info, no need for the nutritional facts and composition. Shrumster 08:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

• What is wrong with you guys? THIS IS NOT PART OF THE 7-11 PROMOTION! I added these pages for that reason. They are sold only at Spencer's and Hot Topic's. They have nothing to do with The Simpsons Movie promotion. I would also be super disappointed if these pages got deleted because they took me awhile to make. They were my first pages. They don't look too bad, they are semi-informative, and there is no category they belong in. They deserve their own pages... or maybe one merged together. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ordealbyfire (talk • contribs)

Ok, I'm going to deal with your comments one by one. First, the objection that these are not part of the 7-11 KeM promotion, or even the movie promotion is a valid one. It would help if you would provide sources to indicate that though. Your second statement about disappointment because of the effort you put into it is something that reflects I think an attitude of possessiveness and ownership of the articles. Sorry, but while being polite and considerate to you is important, there isn't any value given to anybody's amount of edits. I also think you misunderstand the concept of category. All articles should belong to some category, that's organizational. What you're talking about is a singular relationship between the products. And I think you're missing the obvious one. The producer of the products. There might be other places, but that seems the obvious one. FrozenPurpleCube 19:16, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

• Comment - Glad to know it's not a hoax. this is the relevant notability guide. Not convinced the products meet the criteria for inclusion. Marasmusine 19:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
• I still don't understand what's so entirely wrong with me making that page. It is completely legit. Wiki is AWFULLY strict about pictures then. It's just a picture of the drink, and I took it with my Web Cam... I included information... it's not like it's a garbage page or anything.--Ordealbyfire 20:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
• Comment I'm sorry, but the product, just by being a Simpsons spinoff product, is not inherently notable. The fact that you took the picture yourself is admirable, but the question before the jury is just how encyclopedic is the article. We don't have articles on the Simpsons dice game or the Simpsons magic 8 ball or the Simpsons chess set. Because they are not notible just for having been a Simpsons-branded product. That's whay I say Smithers, release the hounds and Redirect. Pat Payne 21:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Ahem, this is an inexperienced user, who might take comments like that last one a bit off. I suggest trying to be more gentle and avoiding the funny remarks (and yes, I did laugh, but I can see in this case there might be a problem). Anyway, to Ordealbyfire there is nothing wrong with the picture, I'm guessing you didn't know you needed to put copyright information in a form that the bot could read. I don't blame you for this, I think these bots are annoying myself, but I'll set up the template on the image for you. As for this article (which is different from the image), the problem is a lack of sources. Everything on the page is just your opinion, without saying where it comes from. This is a problem on Wikipedia, which needs sources in many cases. At the least, linking to the manufacturer of the product's page would show folks that it did exist. Note, BTW, nobody is saying you did anything wrong, in the sense that you ought to be punished or chided, but perhaps you are inexperienced with how an article is written on Wikipedia. That's understandable, a lot of folks don't know it either. And even some of those who do have disagreements. FrozenPurpleCube 21:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

• Keep In that it's not a hoax, and it is a legitimate product on the market. Soon, I predict it will go the way of Mr. T cereal and Billy beer and when it does, it can be merged back into one of the many Simpsons articles. Mandsford 00:22, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually there is an article on Billy Beer. FrozenPurpleCube 00:54, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

• Keep , maybe later merge/redirect per mandsford. Mathmo ^Talk 01:39, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect Per the above. Artw 04:02, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletions. -- Artw 04:03, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to Duff Beer (The Simpsons). It's no hoax; I think I did see it at Spencer's. And it's not part of the Simpsons promotion since I saw the product long before the film was approaching. But there's no evidence that it has significant coverage from reliable secondary sources. 17Drew 07:43, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to Duff Beer (The Simpsons) per PatPayne and 17Drew.--JayJasper 13:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect as per above. Harlowraman 23:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.