Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bhopali Bakar

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The result was Delete, fails WP:ATT. If reliable sources can be found, please recreate with references. —Quarl ^(talk) 2007-03-14 11:10Z

[edit] Bhopali Bakar

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I read up all the necessary policies and guidelines over notability of such pages maintaining colloquial terms over Wikipedia.

• Wikipedia is not for things made up in school one day. Bakar is necessarily a word that means bull in Hindi. Bihari is with reference to the state of Bihar.
• Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought or WP:NOR
• There are no reliable sources available for this article that conform with Wikipedia's policy of verifiability.
• The article qualifies for deletion under WP:CSD#A7 criterion, however some people might want to have a shot at producing multiple, reliable and non-trivial coverage over the subejct. ⋆Zamkudi⋆(talk)⋆ 08:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Question:- Why is Cockney English notable but Bhopali not ?I would agree with the term Bakar not being representative, but maybe all it needs is a new title- Bhopali Hindi. Yes the aritcle in it's current form is not well formatted or referenced, but from a dialect perspective it is unique as Cockney is for the Brits. Haphar 11:31, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

• Comment as long as you have non-trivial second party sources there is nothing wrong with this article, note that, unless I missed something nobody is saying not-notable, they are just saying NO SOURCES to demonstrate notability Alf^Photoman 15:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Reply- So the correct way would be to ask for citations not put the article up for deletion. This is a discussion on an afd. Haphar 15:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Having an article up without a claim/and or proof of notability is not only a reason to delete but to speedy delete Alf^Photoman 15:21, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. The article currently is unsourced, not clear on what the subject is (although from earlier comments I guess a regional dialect). The article includes jokes, quips and comments that smack of OR. However, if it is cleaned up and properly sourced I will reconsider. Nuttah68 21:42, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletions. --   ⇒ bsnowball  08:48, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
• keep per haphar, noting WP:CSB, just needs sources. per nuttah68, a lot may have to go, but that's for the article talk page. (can't delete an article just because it contains o r.) odd nomination too: 'not for things made up in school one day' about a dialect/slang? are you serious?  ⇒ bsnowball  08:48, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Comment you misunderstand. My issue is not that I believe some of the article is OR, I believe, after numerous searches that ALL of the article is OR and should be deleted per WP:ATT. The article is already described as 'Bhopali Bakar - Hilarious Definition By Wikipedia' at one site. At another it is summed up as 'Went through it and found myself laughing like anything' Nuttah68 10:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

cancel vote apologies to nom & all concerned, missed that the claim was 'is mostly rubbish' rather than 'might be rubbish'. cancelling my vote on grounds of ignorance :)  ⇒ bsnowball  11:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. "Bhopali Bakar" seems to be a neologism -- I've never heard the term (I've lived in Bhopal for ten years, and Google doesn't know it either -- it returns Wikipedia and mirrors). Some people use the word "Bhopali" to refer to the Hindi accent of Soorma Bhopali (of Sholay fame). But it seems that in academic/linguistic circles, Bhopali isn't considered a separate dialect or language. In the 1962 census, merely 10 persons gave "Bhopali" as their mother tongue[1]. The only other reliable source where I could find Bhopali being mentioned as a dialect is a book by Colin Masica. But, Masica uses the term "Bhopali" as another name for Malvi, and not what this article talks about. And it goes without saying that the article is in horrible shape. utcursch | talk 09:37, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

"Bakar" is definitely something one does not relate to, but Bhopali Hindi and the difference that it has to mainstream Hindi is something every resident of Bhopal would notice. Do not let a bad name cause the article to be deleted. The name can be changed. And Bakar seems odd, but actually refers to "BakarCh*di"- a term very much used in Bhopal, but not polite enough to mention ( and should not be put in the title).Haphar 12:01, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

The article on Bhopali Hindi needs to be developed on the lines of the one on Bambaiya Hindi. The reason why Bhopali has no references is because it has not caught attention of anyone in or outside Bhopal to do a research. It has been in existence for decades now and is no neologism or one man's brainchild. Utcursch must have stayed in the new parts of Bhopal, hence has no idea about the dialect. This dialect has touch of Nawabi sophistication in it, which has turned more comical due to the witty nature of Bhopalis. The article needs better material and examples and a few references, if possible, more than anything else. Chintu rohit 09:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

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