Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Age of the Beast

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. ugen64 03:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Age of the Beast

Unreleased homebrew game. It's crystal ball and possibly non-notable as well. Ace of Sevens 00:07, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

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• Delete, non-notable, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. --Coredesat talk. o.o;; 00:41, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Only 100 relevant Google results [1]--TBCTaLk?!? 02:27, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - There are 896 for "Age of the Beast" "Beats of Rage". [2]. MetaFox 00:40, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Em-jay-es 06:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. DarthVader 07:25, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. TheJC ^Talk_{Contributions} 08:29, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable, non-anything really Kevin 09:32, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - it's extremely notable. It's the sequel to the immensely popular Beats of Rage. Beats of Rage has spawned multiple engine derivitives (OpenBOR, BORHed, OpenHOR) for multiple platforms and millions of downloads between the platforms and derivitives combined - and this game and engine is the next step. The creators of the game - Senile Team - have a ton of fans. MetaFox 12:09, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This is a must,this is a game long time in the making and very revolutionary as homebrew 2d fighting games go. theres tons of fans who download and enjoy making games with the original engine (BOR) and its cousins (OpenBOR, BORHed, OpenHOR), it will be no diferent with this game,people will love it and it be a mistake to remove it from here. So please leave it inn, thank you. AlexDC22 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.160.255.157 (talk • contribs) .
• Keep After 'Beats of Rage' this will set the standard of homebrew games. It would be ridiculous to erase this article. BDBor —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.162.210.232 (talk • contribs) .

  It "will"? I think you mean it "might". You have no evidence to support your claim: past performance is no guarantee of future returns. The game might never even be finished. The ridiculous thing would be if Wikipedia published unsubstantiated hype about games that don't even have a release date yet. — Haeleth Talk 12:59, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:V and WP:NOR. It is impossible to verify the claims in this article from reliable sources: we have only the authors' word for it. So the whole thing is crystal-balling, and cannot be kept.
  Note that having the article deleted now will in no way prevent it being recreated once the game has been released. — Haeleth Talk 12:59, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

  Comment There is a video available at the homepage showcasing the features of the game, and Age of the Beast: Special Edition was demoed briefly at the Midwest Gaming Classic on June 3, 2006. This makes the game just as notable for wikipedia inclusion as any unreleased video game that was demoed at the E3 gaming convention (and there's an abundance of those in wikipedia). - MetaFox 13:12, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Just because the release date isn't set yet, doesn't make it a crystal ball. Muerto —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.211.143.61 (talk • contribs) .

• Also they have a good track record wich should indicate that this game is the real thing....my GOD, they are the makers of beats of rage... alexdc22 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.160.255.157 (talk • contribs) .

• Keep

Despite of what the 'Warning' says: Of course I came here because a friend told me that the Wikipedia entry of Age of the Beast might be deleted. And why shouldn't I make my voice heard ?

Some Facts: There is something like a release date set: Though annouced for 2006, a release in 2007 is very likely going to happen. One got to consider it's a game by semi-professional independent programmers, not a big budget major company. There will be a commercial release for SEGA Dreamcast. It's announced as a Special Edition that will peacefully coexist next to the freeware download - but still with a pressed run of estimated 7000+ units.

As others already pointed out, there is a video available showcasing the game in action: http://www.senileteam.com/downloads.php?d=12

Obviously the game is using all original graphics, sounds and music along with an extremely customizable and powerful 2D game engine. To really achieve commercial quality takes a good bit of time for a small group of people, working on the game in their spare time.

It's predecessor Beats of Rage was ported to an insane number of platforms (there even is an AMIGA and Nintendo DS port), and the SEGA Dreamcast version was downloaded several tenthousand times - alone from the website I am involved in (http://www.DCEvolution.net).

Three years after its initial release, Beats of Rage still sees updates (OpenBoR, Linux & PSP port), and there still are several promising projects in the works based on the Beats of Rage game engine:

Sailor Moon Plus (freeware, Remake of the Sailor Moon game series by BANDAI): http://borrevolution.vg-network.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=364

Rage of the Streets (freeware, Remake of SEGA's Streets of Rage) http://dreamzoneboards.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1140255667

Yumi: Samurai Warrior (original game, commercial release sheduled for 2007): http://borrevolution.vg-network.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=366

GAGA Wing (original game, release details not set): http://www.dcemu.co.uk/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=26951

RAEL: The Redemption (original game, commercial release sheduled for 2007): http://dreamzoneboards.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=rael_for - DCEvoCE 16:49, 30 June 2006 (CET)

• Comment - you have mis-read the 'warning'. It is intended to provoke discussion rather than simple 'keep' votes without clarification. Detailed comments such as yours are utterly welcome. Kuru ^talk 16:38, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - Wikipedia, she ain't a crystal ball, possibly vanity or advertising as well, highly nonnotable game - I'll quit here. WilyD 16:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I have to believe that even if this article wasn't crystal ballism- even if the game was released now- it would still be quite non-notable. I greatly respect DCEvoCE's comments, but they haven't sufficiently convinced me of notability for this particular game. -- Kicking222 16:43, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

  Comment It's an engine evolution and spiritual sequel of a game that has had millions of downloads. The video preview has been downloaded thousands of times, and the commercial special edition was previewed at one of the largest classic gaming conventions around as I mentioned above. Senile Team has a huge and loyal fan following, and has been covered in print magazines ranging from Pure to Retrogamer. I don't see how anyone can say it's not notable. - MetaFox 23:27, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Zos 18:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:NOT. BJK 20:20, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:NOT. Maybe worthy of an article one day but not yet and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball -- Alias Flood 22:54, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. Ace of Sevens 20:20, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Tachyon01 23:13, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Senile Team, and merge the summary paragraph into the Senile Team article. The content related to Age of the Beast does not yet warrant its own article because it is too speculative, but it is relevant to note what Senile Team is currently working on. ~ Booya ^Bazooka 23:37, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Fails WP:SOFT quite clearly among other faults. I've also tagged Senile Team for deletion so I don't believe in the redirect. Also a note to the above people suggesting to keep: please note that no one here is proposing deletion on the grounds that this will not be a super fantastic popular revolutionnary kick-ass zillion downloads game. We are mostly supporting deletion because this game currently has no notability outside of its restricted fanbase. Pascal.Tesson 03:42, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - Just because a game is not mainstream, doesn't make the fanbase restricted. Age of the Beast is one of the most anticipated games in the retro gaming community, and the retro gaming community makes up a large portion of the regular gaming community. The game was listed in the popular UK print magazine Retrogamer in issue number 8 as being one of the most anticipated upcoming games for the Sega Dreamcast. This article should have been tagged for notability instead of being tagged for deletion, because with a small bit of article expansion, acceptable references can be made that will show that the game is notable for inclusion on Wikipedia. MetaFox 19:51, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, per well reasoned nom Alphachimp ^talk 03:43, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, doesn't meet WP:SOFTWARE guidelines. May be valid later, too early to include at this time. Denaar 18:07, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.