Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2008 Italian political crisis

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The result was Speedy Keep per WP:SNOW and per discussion at AN/I. Keeper | 76 17:07, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 2008 Italian political crisis

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Obvious soapboxing that is not notable. I merged this in full over at Romano Prodi. [1] Anything worth keeping the folks in that article can worry about, after this article is deleted. ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 14:46, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Strong keep. Very notable event, the article is well written and well sourced. I grant that an extension may be needed, but that's no reason to delete the article. There are multiple similar articles on political crisises resulting in a government's regignation. JdeJ (talk) 13:55, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

JdeJ, this belongs in a political blog, not a Wikipedia article. The "2008 Italian political crisis" is such a generic, broad term and even calling it a "political crisis" seems to be POV-pushing.

It might seem notable... if you live in Italy, now. But 5 or 10 years from now, there will be dozens and dozens of political scandals in Italy, even several more more potential "political crises" in Italy, in 2008. Unless the Prime Minister was beheaded and the people were rioting in the street, I see no reason to keep this article. ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 14:46, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

• Strong keep How does this possibly fail the notability test? It doesn't matter if there are a dozen of these in Italy in 2008: this one, as well as the eleven others, will/would be notable. Granted, this isn't anything like the July Revolution in France, but it's a notable event anyway. Moreover, it's not a POV problem, and POV isn't a reason to delete an article unless the entire idea of the article is a POV problem — and surely an article about the fall of a government isn't inherently POV. Merger is a different question (thus the merger discussion), and the name too is a possible problem, but neither are a good enough reason to delete the article. Nyttend (talk) 15:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

• Merge with Prodi II Cabinet. This is about the second Prodi cabinet, and this content should stay there. --Angelo (talk) 15:06, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. Given all the coverage this is getting in international press, it is clearly a notable event. As for the possibility of POV in the title, "crisis" seems like a fair description. For example, the BBC refers to it several times as a crisis in a recent article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7208315.stm). Perhaps the name of the article should be changed if a better alternative could be suggested. Jcobb (talk) 15:06, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep until the "crisis" has subsided, then merge what proves to be the relevant material into articles as above. And NPOV it at the same time. -- 62.25.109.196 (talk) 15:24, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

• Merge. Certainly a notable topic, but this information would be fine if merged to Romano Prodi, Prodi II Cabinet, and other similar articles, and we should find a good target to redirect this to. It's not necessary to have a totally separate article on every event simply because of notability. -- RG² 15:32, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep, highly, highly notable. The crisis and Romano Prodi are not the same thing, and moreover you cannot treat this in detail in the article on Prodi—the man has had a career's worth of other events to fill up his article; details need to go in separate articles like these. I suggest we close this debate early; to debate whether or not we should have articles on major political events is senseless. Everyking (talk) 15:49, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep, how does this differ in any way from any other political event that has its separate page? -- JT^Holla! 16:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep A major event that involves more people than just Prodi. 143.210.182.197 (talk) 16:21, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• Comment the fact is definitely notable, however I don't really think it's a good editorial choice to have a single article for each political event in the whole world. This particular event regards the fall of the Prodi government, and it would be better suited in the cabinet's own article rather than in a recentist article of its own. --Angelo (talk) 16:56, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

• Strong keep Absolutely, notable crisis! --Felisopus (talk) 16:58, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.