Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/+39 Challenge

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The result was Keep. Notability was established over a few days. — Scientizzle 05:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

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Lack of available references. No claim of notability. Vassyana 01:19, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• Delete: Per nom. ~ Magnus animum ∵ ∫ φ γ 01:22, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Not notable, no sources and no info besides their "crew" --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 01:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete no claim of notability. --SquidSK ^(1MC•log) 06:34, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. It is notable (competitor in an international and well know competition), but this article add nothing to WP. Better to delete and wait if someone will create a new and better article (or maybe a section in Louis Vuitton Cup 2007). Cate | _Talk 13:58, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, everything about this nomination is wrong. Being a top-level professional sailboat racing team is a pretty massive claim of notability in itself, and references are readily available. Google news turns up 700! hits, from multiple independent, internationally distributed news sources. That's more than I've ever seen for checking something on AfD. It needs expansion, but there's obvious potential. It's just a weak stub currently. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 19:05, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. I disagree that "being a top-level professional sailboat racing team is a pretty massive claim of notability in itself." There have been hundreds and perhaps thousands of such teams. We're not going to put them all in Wikipedia. The notability for this particular team has not been established.Qworty 20:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Quantity is not an argument against inclusion. There are thousands of top-level pro athletes, olympic medal winners, or even recipients of the Medal of Honor, and current consensus seems to be that all of them deserve articles. This team has been widely written about, which means it very clearly satisfies the primary notability criterion of having been covered in multiple independent nontrivial sources. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 20:28, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Clarification: They're competing in the Louis Vuitton Cup, which decides which team will be allowed to challenge in the America's Cup. There's only 11 teams competing in that, not hundreds or thousands. Night Gyr (talk/Oy)
• Keep per Night Gyr; clearly meets the primary notability criterion. The present article isn't much good, but that isn't grounds for deletion. EALacey 20:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Notability is clearly there. beeing the one of the few who has gained the right to run for the Louis Vuitton Cup, which is one of the few sailing cup that is known world wide (most of English Cup are mostly unknown for Frenchies for exemple, and same for the contrary except for 1 or 2). The article could be better, and need to be better, but as a lot of stuff people not necessarily take the time to complete it. Look at the french or the italian version of the page, their models are nice. --Dionysostom 01:32, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, noting that the article needs significant expansion. Being as notable as it apparently is, per above, means that there should be much more meat to this article. ZZ 04:14, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Clarification: I ve managed to add more info on the team and we can see more evidence for the notability criterion. --Dionysostom 16:50, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete are we going to make an article for every raceteam out there? Where would it stop?. Purgatory Fubar ^Converse or Snafu 16:40, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  • With the ones we don't have enough information on to write proper articles? That's how we handle every other topic. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 15:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  • 12 teams every 3-5 years doesn't seems a lot. It is really minimal if we regard all annual competitions, the championships, .. which are added every year to WP. So IMHO the discussion should go about content of article. Cate | _Talk 08:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
• KEEP For researchers and students of America's Cup racing, this article is notable because it is about one of only 11 teams competing in what is one of the highest profile global yacht racing event. The intention is to have an artice about each team, we are nearly half way there. Readers can always critisize content but the content will get better over time. Boatman 09:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep the subject is clearly notable and with a little research it is clear there is a wealth of resources. Obviously the article needs some work, which I have already initiated. I see no reason to delete. PageantUpdater User Talk Review me! 03:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.