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[edit] Deathly artichokes?
The caption on the first picture of artichokes in the article says "the deathly artichokes that killed 5 hundred innocent people in zimbabwe." The image itself doesn't have any comment relating to zimbabwe or foodborne illness, and to me it just looks like a nice picture of some artichokes. I don't know anything about such a thing, and I'm leaving it alone right now, but someone may want to look into that / supply more info. Xorm (talk) 21:56, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Article Inconsistency
Article states that California grows nearly 100% of domestic artichoke production. Map shows no artichokes in Californis and lots around Maine Vermont etc. Map needs correction.
[edit] Medical info?
Why is there medical info for an artichoke? It's a food!
- I agree that it's very odd looking with terms like "dosage". However, listing ingredients, benefits, and potential allergic reactions is valuable info if it can be rewritten in a more food-appropriate way. StuRat 11:02, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
- It must refer to a substance found in artichokes. 250-750mg of artichoke would not do much, and people normally eat a lot more than that. Matt13 20:35, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] From "artichoke"
The following is all from the Artichoke disambiguation page. Some could possible be merged here. - brenneman(t)(c) 06:20, 6 January 2006 (UTC) Preparation Put in a pan of boiling water for 15 minutes or in bowl with a little bit of water to steam in microwave until soft. Pull off outer leaves of artichoke and dip fleshy lower part into butter, this flesh is the only edible part of the leaf. Once the leaves are removed, scrape off the hairy 'choke' and eat the base, or heart, with a little butter.
History The artichoke is native to the Mediterranean and Canary Islands whose origins date to around 350 BC when a Greek philosopher and naturalist, Theophrastus, wrote about seeing it in Italy and Sicily. The artichoke was both a delicacy and an aphrodisiac to the Greeks and Romans. Ancient Greeks believed that the artichoke was effective for use in ensuring the sex of your unborn child was male. The artichoke became scarce after Rome fell, but around the middle 15th century they were cultivated in Naples and eventually spread to the rest of Europe. In the 1500’s Catherine de Medici, who was married to King Henry II is said to have made the artichoke famous. She introduced it to France when she married King Henry III. When the French immigrants settled in the Louisiana Territory they brought the artichoke with them. The French colonists created artichoke fields in Louisiana and fields were also created in California by the Spanish in the late 1800’s.
The artichoke is an edible thistle, brought to California by Italians in the 1800's. The state's first artichoke farm was planted near the Bay Area. A single medium artichoke has about 6gm of carbohydrates. Almost 100% of all artichokes in the U.S. are grown commercially in California. Louisiana and California are the major areas in the US where the plant is grown as a perennial, usually starting as a cutting from a mother plant. This makes them sensitive to heat.
Health Artichokes, including leaves, were thought to be an aphrodisiac, a diuretic, a breath freshener and even a deodorant. Decoctions of artichoke leaves have been used as blood cleansers, cholerics, to improve bile production and secretion, and to detox the liver and the skin.
Nutrients Artichokes contain vitamin C and nutrients that support the structure of capillaries. A diet of fruits and vegetables yields lower homocysteine levels, which means less risk of developing Alzheimer's disease (AD), according to a 2002 report from scientists at Boston University. High amounts of dietary potassium in vegetables appear to lessen the risk of forming kidney stones.
References 2004 Linda Stradley History of Artichokes. Accessed on Dec 12, 2005,
http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/ArtichokeHistory.htm
[edit] eating raw artichockes
In Italy it's not unusual to eat artichocke raw dressed with vinaigrette or with mayonnease, maybe it should be added too the article. Plch 18:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] External links
I have replaced the link to the Artichoke page of Mrs. Grieve's "Modern Herbal" (1931), which I think minimally informative or useful, with one to the Artichokes page of a site (that, in full disclosure, I maintain) on growing varieties of vegetables, herbs, and fruits of particular interest to the home gardener owing to their superior eating qualities. It has detailed growing information, but is especially focussed on cultivar selection.
While I was at it, I somewhat cleaned the Links section, annotating links, correcting changed targets, and adding a couple of new ones.
Eric Walker 02:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] What such measures??
The article says: "The recently introduced hybrid cultivar 'Imperial Star' has been bred to produce in the first year without such measures." but does not enlighten us as to what such measures it means. If it is in there it should probably be made more clear what is means.
[edit] Requested move
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the proposal was move the article to Artichoke, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 07:14, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Globe artichoke → Artichoke — this is an artichoke —Ewlyahoocom 05:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Survey
- Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with
*'''Support'''or*'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
- Support Nothing else on the disambiguation page (currently at Artichoke) is just called an "artichoke". Ewlyahoocom 05:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
- Objection: There are also the Jerusalem artichoke and the Chinese artichoke, and other meanings. Anthony Appleyard 12:44, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Discussion
- Any additional comments:
- There seems to be a misunderstanding here; Ewlyahoocom's point is that the "Globe artichoke" is commonly known as just "artichoke", without the "Globe" prefix. Artichoke redirecs here (but only recently, due to Chaffer's edits [1]). There are other types of artichoke indeed, but they're not so common, nor they're typically styled without an adjective. I tend to agree with that, but I'll relist the RM. Duja► 12:06, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
[edit] medicinal use
I'm sceptical regarding the medicinal claims for artichokes. Firstly, "tonic for convalecense" is meaningless. Artichoke's use to treat gallstones seems to run against warnings I see at some Web sites such as
- In addition, because artichoke leaf is believed to stimulate gallbladder contraction, individuals with gallstones or other forms of gallbladder disease could be put at risk by using this herb. Such individuals should use artichoke leaf only under the supervision of a physician. It is possible that increased gallbladder contraction could lead to obstruction of ducts or even rupture of the gallbladder.[2]
This study casts doubt on the cholesterol-lowering benefits of artichokes and recommends further studies to establish their validity.
So, I'll remove all beneficial claims in the text and just keep the one about it increasing bile flow. We don't want to make people want to medicate themselves with remedies that have not been approved by health authorities. --InfoCan (talk) 20:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Artichoke tea
Was the idea of making artichokes into tea developed in Vietnam, was the concept introduced by the French? Badagnani (talk) 00:33, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
