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Contents 1 Can not find hook in sourced material, lack of inline source makes this difficult. 2 Shri Swaminarayan Mandir, Karachi 3 Congratulations on first SN DYK! 4 Paramhansas 5 ATG 6 Template 7 Clean up 8 Stub 9 CAT 10 Template 11 RE: Swaminarayan 12 Category:Swaminarayan Images 13 Shri Swaminarayan Mandir 14 RE: Comment 15 Re: B-class 16 New Article 17 DYK - another one 18 Devnagari Script 19 Thank You

[edit] Can not find hook in sourced material, lack of inline source makes this difficult.

Can not find hook in sourced material, lack of inline source makes this difficult. May mean that the way you worded the DYK did not match your article or did not match the source you claim you have (at the bottom of the page). Any other ideas? Wikidās-ॐ 20:41, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

It also took me two times reading to understand what is DYK in it. I guess you should reword it to make it crystal clear. Wikidās-ॐ 20:46, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Partition of India should realy read as in original I guess during Partition is better (since its not partition of India but a partition between India and Pakistan. Maybe the capitalisation is a problem, try rewording it so that even someone from... Panama reading it will understand. Try it again maybe, it looks like a human factor. Wikidās-ॐ 20:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Do not forget to wikilink and make bold the title of the article as part of the quote... Wikidās-ॐ 21:01, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shri Swaminarayan Mandir, Karachi

On 28 May 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Shri Swaminarayan Mandir, Karachi, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 16:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations on first SN DYK!

Good job! its a notable achievement for you! Wikidās-ॐ 17:11, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Well now you are on the roll for a few more... in time. Wikidās-ॐ 17:17, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Congrats!!!!! :) I was looking at DYK today and jumped out. I saw the merger and wrote my opinion on it. What was he thinking????    Juthani1   ^tcs 19:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

If you want you can add some of SN temples if any to the article of Bala Krishna scheduled to be on the front page from tomorrow as DYK. Wikidās-ॐ 21:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations, your hard work and leadership has been very productive. I was suprised and happy to see the article on the main page. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 03:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Paramhansas

Excellent idea, can you do it? I also suggest archieving your talkpage. It is getting long    Juthani1   ^tcs 22:02, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Why delete when you can archieve? Do you know what archieving is? If not see Help:Archiving a talk page    Juthani1   ^tcs 22:09, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Very easy, I can do it for you if you would like me to. Its not really a hassle.    Juthani1   ^tcs 22:16, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Not yet. It is a lot better but has a few grammatical issues. Also lets decide upon the Sahajanand Swami articles move    Juthani1   ^tcs 22:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Looked great, except the font was too big, I shrunk it. Great job    Juthani1   ^tcs 23:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that, thought it would llok better that way. It's fine now that I look at other articles.    Juthani1   ^tcs 23:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Wkidas wants the article name to be Bhagvan Swaminarayan which is the same thing but he thnks that our spelling is wrong. What should I do?    Juthani1   ^tcs 23:53, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

If you want to go ahead, but it looks nicer that way    Juthani1   ^tcs 00:09, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok do what you need to do    Juthani1   ^tcs 00:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ATG

I think you should watch for the few things that may happen. First is that the article can be objected on the basis of it belonging to a different place, WP:NOT and second it having no citations or references for a material, thus some may argue for notability criteria. We discussed it before and it could be raised again. I think its a great thing to have, but these need to be addressed. so its basically WP:NOT and WP:NOTE and maybe WP:NO (the last one is a joke of course, first two are not/note) That still helps with WP:NA ... Wikidās-ॐ 15:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, the lead is critical and references are too. I agree that its the way to go if it is well made. Wikidās-ॐ 16:54, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, was busy with Prabhupada article. What ideas will you have on the proposed combined or not templates for all movements of Swaminarayan tradition? Wikidās-ॐ 16:44, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

NP. Juthani1 has been working on the templates - v hv been in touch on how it shld b. Im having a problem with the sourcing of the Radhashtak info - zero hits in Google books! and few in the web as well .. Im trying to source stuff frm other places now. Id appreciate if u cld rate the Swaminarayan temples articles when ur a bit free .. Around The Globe^Contact 01:07, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I had a look at your major temples and most of them are rated as mid importance. I would suggest changing it to High if outside of India. Let me know what you mean or think, as the articles are already rated. Wikidās-ॐ 18:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template

I was thinking the same thing, but it's important to have that. It is the "universal" template. Plus it says major dieties. I'm guessing your issue is the Akshar philosophy. Do what you want to (maybe seperate the deity sec) ut don't remove it all together. WE need it    Juthani1   ^tcs 21:19, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Maybe, but then we will have too many sections. I don't think anyone besides us would really care to what detail we put it. Adding too many sections gets confusing as well. I have seen this with other templates. I think we should hold off on this. I will think over it as you can before we do something.    Juthani1   ^tcs 21:27, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

We would have to make new templates and get rid of this one. I have an idea. I could make a separate BAPS template and put both the Swaminarayan Samp template and the BAPS template on the Sahajanand Swami article. We could remove the universal template all together. To do the thing wikidas said, go to WP:Hindu and go to the templates section. Then you will know what he's talking about. I think my idea is better though, or else we would have too many templates. I will do this task with your permission (make the BAPS template). Also I forgot to tel you, but remove some of the "see also" sections. Templates ar meant to remove these. It looks bad with both    Juthani1   ^tcs 21:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Why couldn't have Maharaj just made things more clear?    Juthani1   ^tcs 21:43, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

If you think there are too many templates see Krishna, USA, and many other articles. Please don't revert me. Please talk to me and then we can decide.    Juthani1   ^tcs 22:41, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Go ahead and add it. Add it above the devotional songs    Juthani1   ^tcs 01:49, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up

This article needs major help- Rama Navami Can you help?    Juthani1   ^tcs 18:14, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

What do you ean its not the same for all sects. I thought all Swaminarayans (satsangis) believe in the paramhansas.    Juthani1   ^tcs 21:51, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

What looks like a copy and paste job? The Paramhansa section?    Juthani1   ^tcs 23:37, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stub

I've created a Swaminarayan stub template Template:Swaminarayan-stub. Add {{Swaminarayan-stub}} to any article you feel needs it    Juthani1   ^tcs 21:32, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Will do that later.    Juthani1   ^tcs 00:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Didn't get around to making that cat. Thanks for doing it. I was thinking about making a cat to organize all of our pics. What do you think?    Juthani1   ^tcs 19:37, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] CAT

I have for somethings. I will call it Swaminarayan Images if that's ok?    Juthani1   ^tcs 23:35, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template

Ok here is my plan. I want the Swaminarayan Template to go on most articles (about 90%). i don't want it on articles such as Mystic India since it was a film. Then underneath this add either the BAPS temp or Swaminarayan Samp temp or both depending on what the topic is (this should be easy). Also I was wondering if we could put the parmahansa thing back into the main template. All sects sing the regular bhagans and arti which were composed by paramhansas. Would they sing these if they weren't composed by a Swaminarayan saint? Anyway, we can add it back in and if any issue comes up in the future (though I highly doubt it) we can remove it. After doing this we can remove the Paramhansa thing from the BAPS and Swaminarayan Sampraday templates (unless you want them to still be there). Lastly, I still don't understand why the BAPS template can't go there. Templates are meant to add links at the bottom of articles. Though he wasn't one of our saints, we were formed because of our belief that he is the correct sucessor. Templates are just meant to give related topics. I personally think (as would Harish) that it is completely relevant. What if someone wanted to read about BAPS from Gunatitanand Swami's page or read about our gurus. It doen't matter that he wasn't our saint, but it relevant. See WP:Template    Juthani1   ^tcs 23:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Not POV, it's a fact, because it a belief. The fact that we believe that a Paramhansa is the successor is a act just how you believe th acharya is the successor. Also, we believe that Maharaj called gunatitanand Swami right before going to dham and gave him successorship. By saying that we believe it is a fact. By saying it happened is POV if you get what I mean    Juthani1   ^tcs 23:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

The dispute did occur later, but the section in the artcle itself is called sucession. It needs an intro explaining what happenned. Saying that others believe is not POV because we do believe that. That's a clear fact.    Juthani1   ^tcs 00:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

If Haribhagat is on, ask him to sign in my sandbox under participants. He hasn't signed yet    Juthani1   ^tcs 00:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Swaminarayan

Jai Swaminarayan bhai!! Sorry to inform you, but for whatever reason we are actually referred to as Swaminarayan, but I personally don't know if this is a Western thing or not. I take it in India they simply refer to us as Swaminarayani? Actually, if I remember right, over their they refer to us by our sansthas, as I remember being referred to the 'Bochasan varo' and such haha. I dunno though. But over here, we're all united under the banner of Bhagwan's name for some reason. Never really understood it myself... UNLESS... they all have extreme divyabhav and see bhagwan within us!!! =P ...I honestly ain't sure as to why though. And thanks again in your aid of my name change, bhai =) -- Harish (Talk) - 09:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Haha, and yes I'll tell the santo on behalf of you =) -- Harish (Talk) - 09:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

It's good to ask questions, otherwise we'll might not get the answers we want. Are your exams still going on out of curiosity? -- Harish (Talk) - 09:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Haha, excellent. Hope the dissertation and exam prep goes well. Mine were done on the 13th May, been chillin', job hunting and travelling since. Ahhh, the good life. -- Harish (Talk) - 09:46, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Done for the summer, bhai. I need a summer job to pay for my lavish lifestyle haha. Seriously though, I'll def let you know if I head up there. I'd like to go back to Scotland if I can, so if the opportunity comes then I'll take it. -- Harish (Talk) - 09:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Swaminarayan Images

I have added [[Category:Swaminarayan Images]] to 81 images related to the Swaminarayan Faith. By doing this we now have a category for all Swaminarayan Pictures. If I missed an, please add [[Category:Swaminarayan Images]] to the image    Juthani1   ^tcs 23:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shri Swaminarayan Mandir

What if someone wanted to know about the Nasden mandir and was redirected to that page. Can you include something about the BAPS mandir.    Juthani1   ^tcs 20:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't need to be in the list. Just at the top of the article would be fine. If you said Did you mean... at the top of the page it should be ok.    Juthani1   ^tcs 23:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I will keep it off.    Juthani1   ^tcs 23:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Comment

Thanks for the tip, but I prefer balance so do not worry - I've been a neutral editor for a while now and hope to keep it that way. Just because it's my faith, I shouldn't have to sell it. Knawmean? Right, I need to work out and get some sleep so take care bhai. Jai Swaminarayan! -- Harish (Talk) - 00:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe Living Well should be open, but I don't know - I just work out at home. I didn't mean to come off as if you're accusing me personally bhai haha, sorry for my ineptness in my point. You are right though, for the longest time the Swaminarayan articles in general have been a poor state. When the group is official, I hope that we can work together to pool good information on the articles, to a standard suitable for Wikipedia. -- Harish (Talk) - 00:18, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Sweet job on the article! -- Harish (Talk) - 11:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Jai Swaminarayan bhai. You're right about how we're unique in food offering respect. I don't feel the lyrics are that necessary though, I mean I won't take it down as it's informative to me but I also won't add the different versions. I don't feel it's encyclopaedic. I don't see just the prayers of the Sikhs, Buddhists, Jews, Christians, Muslims and so forth on here. If you look through the Jewish prayers you see that they discuss the reason for them, what their holy books say, and more. Not the best examples though as their articles aren't WP:FA status though. What I'm saying is that it doesn't give the user knowledge, despite the translation being offered - the aarti one has a kind of good start, but not so much with the thaal. Maybe if we could pull together more information as to why it should be here. Perhaps discuss the significance of thaal, or why we have a different aarti, and so forth. Bring in some sources as to back it up. I am not criticizing fyi. Just speaking from experience, it's just what people around here have said before deleting such articles. This is why I'd like to wait for the Swaminarayan WikiProject to start, I could tell everyone my thoughts in one go rather than tell just one person. It kinda feels like I'm just coming down on you, which I don't mean to be bhai.

By the way, good idea on the Bhagwan Swaminarayan article. I've notice the changes over time. There are lot of changes I hope to make to the article for the better. By the way, can I ask that if you have anything to say that's new, that you make a new section please? I get confused sometimes, partly becomes it's randomly added at the bottom of another topic, but also because half the time I just assume it's Juthani that said it as you two add comments together randomly haha (hence the confusion with me talking to you about the Gujarati thing). -- Harish (Talk) - 11:41, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: B-class

An article that is a start class means an article that has a meaningful amount of good content, but it is still weak in many areas, and may lack a key element. For example an article on Africa might cover the geography well, but be weak on history and culture. In some articles key element is an amount of text that describes or explains may be missing, and that makes an article start class. Sahajanand Swami is already B-class and I think shortly Sahajanand Swami article can go up for pier review and GA review. Wikidās ॐ 13:36, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Article

It may be. People may believe its all symbolism. It is used throughout Hinduism anyway.    Juthani1   ^tcs 20:09, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I was also wondering if you could let me deal with the pics on the Bhagwan Swaminarayan Article. They need to be around the same size or else the article looks horrible. If you want to add pics, go ahead, but we don't want too many or else it looks too crowded as the Mandir section did at one point.    Juthani1   ^tcs 20:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I was also wondering if you could upload a pic that is a portrait of Ghanshyam as a child (it needs to be a painting like the nilkanth Varni one). I can't find one. If you could please upload it a replace the pic of bhagwan Swaminarayan's Birth Location pic on the main page with this pic. Oh, and don't forget to categorize it with Swaminarayan Images. Thanks.    Juthani1   ^tcs 20:30, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK - another one

Happy to report, that Haridasa Thakur is on Sunday DYK due in an hour or so. Its an interesting article with a lot of illustrations. Its the fourth DYK of the Krishna project! Wikidās ॐ 11:55, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

The Listed one. -- Harish (Talk) - 12:32, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I really should help with the neutral ones. I have some questions though, like why we have a thaal page that is just Swaminarayan as oppose to universal, as every mandir offers thaal to their Ishtadevs? Should we make that more universal? I've been pooling resources for the Bhagwan Swmaminarayan article for a while. Hopefully more work can be done for it and I will keep trying. It's just a matter of time for me. Also, sadly, I wouldn't know where to get Maharaj's name in Guji from. Can you read Guji? If you can, try looking through the Guji section of Swaminarayan.org [1] - that's the best I can do. Again, sorry. -- Harish (Talk) - 10:19, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Devnagari Script

What's that? Sorry, I only know Gujarati to a minimum level. We may need verification for what I did    Juthani1   ^tcs 14:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know how to do that    Juthani1   ^tcs 14:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You

For fixing my tag. EBY3221 (talk) 17:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)