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Contents 1 Comments 1.1 biased information in this article 1.2 each side 1.3 disagree 1.4 Merge 1.5 Genocide allegations 1.6 This article is like a joke 1.7 Fairy Tales

[edit] Comments

[edit] biased information in this article

This article is biased on the fact that it promotes the Armenians point of view. There have been no interviews of ex-soldiers in the Ottoman Empire or of any Armenians. Only a book of a British scholar and every piece of information has been based on that book. We might never know what actually happened but I have done "unbiased" research which has shown that all people were treated equally within the Ottoman Empire. Citizens of other countries were given freedom, and taxed like everyone else. The taxes were no higher and Ottoman Empire never forced anyone into slavery. Racism may have occurred in areas of mixed culture by citizens never government, but that happens everywhere with mixed cultures. The so-called march without food, water, rape was discredited by many Turkish scholars. Maybe biased but their story is that while the Ottomans were being attacked by Russia, Ottomans took Armenians of the villages and marched them to different directions of the Ottoman Empire. Women and children whose father or husband was dead were placed into Turkish homes as a family of mixed culture. We are not sure if the march was a genocide or for protection, but we know that

[edit] each side

has probably exaggerated the story in certain parts.

We always here the Armenian side, but never the Turkish side, funny isn't? On my final note, not much evidence has been shown on either side because each countries Archives had been closed, but recently Turkey offered the Armenians to open up their Archives as well as theirs for cross-examinations by each other and other countries but Armenia denied the request.

[edit] disagree

The so called "biased" information is only under scrutiny because the Turkish Government has not wanted to make concessions to the decendants of the Armenians that were systematically irradicated in the Armenian Genocide of 1915. Most of the world has by now accepted this as fact, and the U.S. government is the last remaining major power to accept this due to it's political ties with Turkey. Beyond this information, if factual reference is required, one good source would be the diaries by Ambassador Morganthou, the US Ambassador to Turkey around 1915. He had first hand accounts of Armenians being driven to the deserts outside of town, without weapons, and being killed, tortured, forced to leave loved ones behind, etc. The atrocities were unspeakable, and his accounts, as well as other historian's accounts are unrefutable, despite the efforts of the Turkish Government.

[edit] Merge

I wasn't even aware that there were two articles, one here and one at Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. There is no need for "history", since it is kind of obvious that we are talking about history. Let's do the merge! Baristarim 04:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I think Armenians in the Ottoman Empire should be merged into this one (because it was created more recently and has less edits), and then we should rename this page to "Armenians in the Ottoman Empire". Khoikhoi 04:42, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The only problem is that Ottoman Armenia redirects here, which is a geographic region. Perhaps we should redirect that page to Western Armenia? Khoikhoi 04:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

What a web! Yep, your suggestions sound good to me. Baristarim 04:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I also agree with Baristarim and Khoikhoi. ROOB323 19:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Genocide allegations

In order for this article to be objective, it should mention how many Turks, Kurds, and other Muslims were killed by Armenian rebels fighting for a piece of Ottoman land. These killings forced Ottoman Empire to relocate Armenian communities within Ottoman Empire. As a response to the genocide allegations, Turkish government made its Ottoman era archives publicly available. But, interestingly, no Armenian historian is willing to research these documents. Furthermore, Turkish government is asking for a joint research effort, which will include both Turkish and Armenian historians working together on this issue.

Also, it should be considered that this article need to be re-written in terms of rephrasing "Genocide" into "Alleged Genocide" Keep this article politically correct, because it is purely a cheap-shot at unproven history, and also can be viewed as an unnecessarily provocative detail in an article that really has no use for it. It is only one line, at the end of a paragraph, it was clearly added, and is misuse of the account that decided to add this detail, and is thus abusing the integrity of Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Serhat09 (talk • contribs) 01:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC)serhat09

[edit] This article is like a joke

Almost whole article gives misinformation, uncited or poorly cited information.--85.103.36.14 22:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Please be more clear and point them out. There are five citations, certainly there could be more. A good tag would be {{Refimprove}}, but we might not need that either as there are no fact tags atm. Deniz^T_C 15:43, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with 85.103, in this article we can see diaspora-armenians propaganda at its best. It doesnt make any sense for me or anyone else to make it any more objective, because dozens of anti-turkish propagandists are waiting to revert any impartial edits. XmuratX 17:03, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fairy Tales

The article needs overhaul. It begins with a Turkish fairy tale about Hovagim I becoming patriarch by the orders of Mehmed II. This story is repeated in List of Armenian Patriarchs of Constantinople as well.

The first Armenian Patriarch of Constantinople was Hovagim I, who was at the time the Metropolitan of Bursa. In 1461, he was brought to Constantinople by Sultan Mehmed II and established as the Armenian Patriarch of Constantinople. - Thank you very much, Mehmed II.

In fact Hovagim I never bore the title patriarch. Only in the middle of the 16th century there was a Armenian patriarch of Constantinople. Hovagim I was Armenian prelate of Constantinople. But Patriarch sounds better. I agree. The article itself is important it's not a joke. I disagree. Apocolocynthosis (talk) 23:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC)