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Contents 1 Kurtz inspiration 2 Workprint article 3 Synopsis... 4 french plantation 5 colonialism criticism? 6 Charlie Don't Surf 7 The Character Named 'Chef' 8 Ivan's Childhood as inspiration to Apocalypse

[edit] Kurtz inspiration

I've heard Colonel Kurtz's character was inspired by David Hackworth. Deserve a mention? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.238.59.36 (talk) 14:18, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

To my knowledge, Kurtz's character is completely fictitous, invented by Joseph Conrad, who wrote the book: THe Heart Of Darkness, the novella the film is loosely based on.--Hammerandclaw (talk) 22:56, 3 January 2008 (UTC)hammerandclaw

[edit] Workprint article

Hello, I have written two articless in my blog discussing the differences between the cuts of apocalypse now, including the 5hr working cut (which I have seen :) ). So even if you do not think that links should be added, perhaps a new section containing some information about the workprint can be made? Looking forward to your remarks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thanasiskappa (talk • contribs) 16:22, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not use material from self-published blogs and original research. Your blog articles have no place as external links nor as sources, per Wikipedia policies and guidelines regarding external links and reliable sources. Collectonian (talk) 18:16, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Synopsis...

Anyone else think the synopsis is just a plain ol' mess? It shouldn't have any section headings, those are discouraged & the choppy way it's presented is really atrocious. I say it needs an overhaul. Plus, it's too damned long, there are plenty of other ones in here that are much shorter & look better! Tommyt (talk) 20:55, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. I've tagged it for plot (guessing that was what you were trying to do a moment ago :) ). Collectonian (talk) 21:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I've trimmed it somewhat by replacing it with an adapted version of the plot summary from a previous revision [1]. I've trimmed two massive block quotes even from that version, summarising the content. --Tony Sidaway 22:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll quote Pee-Wee Herman, "Thanks a lot, dudes!" Heh heh, tried to clean up the summary a few mos ago & got bitched out for chopping too much of it out. Ludicrous! Tommyt (talk) 02:53, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

The plot looked fine to me, I think there's much worse than this. I found it fine, obviously you disagree...--Hammerandclaw (talk) 10:51, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

In fact I think you've made it worse, it's just far too choppily wriiten, not enough detail, at all.--Hammerandclaw (talk) 11:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

No, we haven't. It reads much more like a synopsis than before. It was choppy when it had section headings which are generally discouraged (take up too much room). Also, the fact that some of the sects were only one sentence while the next one was several paragraphs really made it look unprofessional, so to speak. And we want to avoid having every single miniscule detail in there b/c the synopsis becomes too bloated & crufty. Now, I'll agree we can prob work on this one some more but to revert back to the vers we had b/f would be wrong. I'll admit that I love the film myself (even tho I don't consider it to be a prime example of a "Vietnam film", its more of an existentialist drama that uses 'Nam as a backdrop) BUT that doesn't mean we need to incl every favorite detail of every fan who reads this article. Same thing plagued the Braveheart plot; every fan of the film wanted to incl their abs favr moment & every detail about who got chopped up in the battles. Tommyt (talk) 15:16, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

No, I disagree, I understand it's a synopsis, but you've included details in completely the wrong places, and the text appears to be extremely similar to a copyrighted source. I will attempt to provide a source for you, do reply. And I have seen the film, so you don't need to tell me it's a existentialist drama! I look forward to your reply.--Hammerandclaw (talk) 16:30, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

If you can find a source for the copyright infringement, that will merit removal of the current version. I agree with Tommyt on the problems of the previous version. To help resolve the question of whether the current briefer version, or at least a non-copyright infringing version resembling it, is more suitable, I'm putting a RFC up about it. The two versions being compared are here (new) and here (old). --Tony Sidaway 12:42, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Understood. Do you have any idea, you the original writer of the article was, by any chance. As I said to Tommyt, I will try and re-locate the source for you, I shall attempt to have it by the end the week, but sadly I cannot guarentee.--Hammerandclaw (talk) 13:17, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

You can see the plot summary being constructed over a matter of some weeks by a number of contributors in early 2005, here. Contributing substantial portions were 66.71.77.222 (Kilgore quote, Kurtz death scene), User:TimBray (tightening up and general copy editing), 82.41.88.12 (expansion of plot following encounter with Kilgore), and 131.114.116.44, who in this edit on January 10, 2005, created the first substantial version of the current synopsis. --Tony Sidaway 13:47, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I want this re-written damnit!--Hammerandclaw (talk) 19:35, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] french plantation

they don't have sex your porn lovers! remember she's a widow and she lives in her husband's home. he only touches his cheeks and she goes away. Cliché Online (talk) 18:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] colonialism criticism?

i'm not sure this a criticism on colonialism i felt much to be a criticism of the communists in france! check the First Indochina War article to learn it was true. Cliché Online (talk) 18:49, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Charlie Don't Surf

Should there be a mention of the song by The Clash which references this movie? The song is called Charlie Don't Surf from the album Sandinista!CambridgeLion (talk) 17:40, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Um... why?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.164.127 (talk) 01:29, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Character Named 'Chef'

The plot discussion mentions a character named 'Chef' and a character named 'Chief'. Are they one and the same? If so, is it 'Chef' or 'Chief'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.179.176.83 (talk) 03:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

No, two different characters, 'Chief' is commander of the PBR and 'Chef' is the machinist of the boat, who trained as a cook, hence the nickname. Pkmink (talk) 10:10, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ivan's Childhood as inspiration to Apocalypse

Ivan's Childhood (Russian: Иваново детство, Ivanovo detstvo), also known as My Name Is Ivan in the US, is a 1962 Russian film directed by Andrei Tarkovsky. [2] I'm sure Coppola must have loved that film as a cinema student. Ivan is a orphan boy that does reconnaissance jobs that require him to cross the front line. In the last 20 minutes, Ivan and two soldiers go along a marsh in a little boat, in the night, hearing distant combat and under continuous fall of flares. They pass in front of shooted down planes, hanged civilians... the horror of war. 85.50.143.180 (talk) 10:18, 7 May 2008 (UTC)