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[edit] Vijayanagar

Someone has cut and pasted large amount of material on Vijayanagar history. It needs drastic pruning and editing.

[edit] Lethargy and indifference of Telugu historians

It is sad to see that Telugu history being distorted by others who are interested to paint Telugu history as that of Tamils (E.g., Vengi) or Kannadigas (Rashtrakuta and Vijayanagar). For instance, the evidences in favour of Telugu origin of Vijayanagar Empire were downplayed and enormous material (authentic or otherwise) was included to show that Telugus had no contribution. It is common knowledge that Telugu literature had a heyday during the time of Krishnadevarayan who himself was a great Telugu poet. It was totally ignored by one Kannada parochial historian, Dinesh Kannambadi, who has been playing havoc with history and is attempting to show that South Indian history is Karnataka history.Telugu historians must wake up from slumber, take interest in Wikipedia and restore the true picture.

balls to your knoweldge.more than 60% of records,inscriptions during vijayanagar kingdom is maintaining in kannada & the rest in sanskrit,prakrit & telugu. It is also very well known fact that vijayanagr kingdom has roots in karnataka & kannadigas. Also telugu was the personal preference of Sri krishnadevaraya (who btw is tuluva kannadiga & not a telugite) & during his days telugu saw the beginning of their literature. So instead of being thankful to kannadigas u r trying putting some bullshit. REPLY: Balls to your knowledge too, vijayanagara empire was established by Harihara and Bukka, both from warangal..Krishnadevaraya might be Tulu but the Kingdom itself was established by the Telugus. As to why there are more incriptions in Kannada, because the locals spoke kannada so the inscriptions are in kannada. But the proceedings in the court house are in telugu, the mother tongue of the early rulers. The empire itslef was a good mixture of Telugu and Kannada culture.' You nerd tell me how many places of historical or ancient significance is in Andhra compared to tamilnadu or karnataka despite being such a big state in the south. Also Kannada inscriptions are the highest in the country than any other language & that tells the most of the story. REPLY: There are as many as in Karnataka or TN, all you have to do is drop your karnataka history book and read a little bit of Andhra history. Sri Krishnadeva Raya, a Kannadiga, proclaimed 'Desa Bhashalandu Telugu lessa', which literally means 'Of all the Indian languages, Telugu is the Sweetest'.

[edit] Reply

The above account reflects Kannada culture, let alone the veracity of the material put in by this guy. I suspect Dinesh Kannambadi, the Kannada fanatic who has been spreding falsehoods in wikipedia, must have done this.

Wake up Telugu Historians. Now, Andhra Satavahanas are being branded Tamils. Protect your history from being corrupted by others!!

Please note that this article is not maintained or supported by "Telugu Historians". You can always rectiy the mistakes if you know the facts (with proper citation).

Please be more specific regarding the location of factual inaccuracies. You can mark them with "^{[citation needed]}" if you feel it needs to verified. Sumanthk 11:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quality issues

The article definitely deserves it "B-class" status. It is poorly organized and the quality of English at some places is poor. Where are the Telugu scholars and PhDs? Maybe someone should ask professors from Government universities to contribute to wikipedia - they do have a lot of time on their hands. Unfortunately, I do not have enough knowledge in this area to edit what has been written. I have removed some (rather poorly written) sections which contained redundant information (on Telugu for example-there is a page for the language and related issues).

[edit] NPOV issues

This article is sickeningly biased. In the "Economy" section, it says:

"With a dynamic leadership, the state is steering the nation to new dimensions in the fields of Information Technology, Biotechnology, Pharmaceuticals, Business Management, Construction, etc., to emerge as a land of immense business opportunities."

Contrast this with the following, written in a recent Guardian article:

"During the hungry season, hundreds of thousands of people in Andhra Pradesh are now kept alive on gruel supplied by charities. Last year, hundreds of children died in an encephalitis outbreak because of the shortage of state-run hospitals. The state government's own figures suggest that 77% of the population have fallen below the poverty line. The measurement criteria are not consistent, but this appears to be a massive rise. In 1993 there was one bus a week taking migrant workers from a depot in Andhra Pradesh to Mumbai. Today there are 34. The dispossessed must reduce themselves to the transplanted coolies of Blair's new empire." [1]

I did some work on this article a while back, and I can see that all my contributions have been removed without discussion, so I'm not going to try again. Palefire 23:58, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Anon contrib

Anon 70.33.98.171 (talk · contribs) added that

An important village contributing to major rice export is Gumpalagudem.

I'm not from Andhra Pradesh at all, but Google really do not show any hits at all about that. So, can anyone else, especially people from Andhra Pradesh verify this statement? Thanks. --Ragib 02:52, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm not from Andhra, but being from neighbouring Tamil Nadu, I'm sure there is a vast region in Andhra under rice cultivation and no single village can be notable in that respect. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 05:06, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

Ok, Anon 70.33.98.171 (talk · contribs) is adding more claims to the village, would you please provide references to support the claim? I'm hopelessly unable to find that by Googling or otherwise. Thanks. --Ragib 05:35, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

I am from Andhra Pradesh and I am a beuracrat on Telugu wiki and contributed to several district pages.I have never heard of Gumpalagudem anywhere. Must be a very remote village.

It being major rice exporter is totally unrealistic fact. Generally coastal districts of the state especially East Godavari, West Godavari and Krishna are considered to be the major contributors to Andhra's rice production. --Vyzasatya 15:04, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New Telangana secessionism

This need to be dealt in a seperate article. It violates NPOV (highly opinionated) and also states irrelevant material in the subheading "NTR and Heavy diversion of state reserves to Telugu Film industry". This is a controversial issue and heavily opinionated. --Vyzasatya 15:10, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Moved this subsection and some realated material into new article Andhra Pradesh Politics. But it still has NPOV issues --Vyzasatya 15:22, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ranga Reddy

@ 131.225.82.117

sorry about rangareddi v. ranga reddy. perhaps someone should look into changing the map that says "rangareddi", just so we have consistency between the list of districts and the accompanying map. Vvuppala

[edit] Muslim invaders

"Hyderabadi cuisine, influenced by the Muslim invaders from the North West of India centuries ago,"

I think as grown men and women, we can afford to get over the fact that Muslims came to Andhra by invasion, agreed? How they got to Andhra is especially irrelevant when it comes to their cuisine.

Vvuppala 04:30, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Agree, though sometimes I wonder if we are too much into consensus-building mode; it may probably be best to edit this page without much ado as most of the contribs (in terms of quantity, not necessarily quality) come from anon IPs who hardly look at the talk page. --Gurubrahma 06:14, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Andhra name from maharashtra??

hi 210.211.136.93, wrote Andra pradesh derived its name from a maharathi dynasty 'Satavahans/Andras'.This dynasty orginated from 'Andra Maval' region of western Maharashtra.Hence they were called as 'Andras'.Subsequently Andra Pradesh got its name from this dynasty.

This is a unique theory never heard before about Andhra history. Would like to know more about it. Please provide references to cite the above. whose view point is this coming? obviously it is not a popular mainstream idea.
It is known beyond doubt that satavahanas are Andhras not Maharashtrians though they ruled considerable part of western maharashtra along with Andhra. --Vyzasatya 07:44, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

I found that Origin of Satavahanas is not clear whether they are from Andhra Pradesh or Maharashtra. Partly the above claim of Satavahanas being maharathi dynasty is not true. Rest could be true that Satavahanas are called Andhras because they ruled Andra Maval region. Anyways made changes in article to reflect a more NPOV.--Vyzasatya 08:04, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

That's probably the best route to take. I've never heard of that perspective on the derivation of Andhra before. Vvuppala 00:35, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Name of Andhras exist even at the time of writing Puranas. See Andhra Kingdom about verses. The orissa goverment page mentions that Andrha desa name came from Odra desa. See http://orissagov.nic.in/morestate.htm. But it also mentions about Akarakhand (Andhra Malwa), sounds similar to Maval. Mlpkr 17:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Andhra Economy

I have restored the portion of this section that refers to recent progress in various fields, (IT, Biotech, Pharmaceuticals, etc). Each of the items currently links to general articles about the subjects. However, I think that the only way that those items should remain in the article is if there are sections talking about IT in Andhra, Biotech in Andhra, etc. Just listing technologies that exist somewhere in Andhra is of little use. Vvuppala 00:35, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Andhra History

I've segmented the Andhra History section as per the convention followed in the Tamil Nadu article.

The result is several new sub-sections, all of which need attention. A state of more than 50 million people, and of unquestionable antiquity should not have so small a section about its past.

Some major parts of the state's history are articles unto themselves: the various dynasties that ruled over portions of the state, and the major cities all have their own articles. We need to integrate information about these parts of state history without rewriting the whole articles again.

Vvuppala 07:30, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Could somebody please correct the date for the formation of the state of Andhra. The date noted is October 19, 1952... before Sriramulu's death! I am removing the specific date until this is corrected.

Aonyx 06:01, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Time zone abbreviation

IST is the abbrevation for Irish Summer Time in Europe, which is UTC + 1 hour.

In India IST is widely used as abbreviation for Indian Standard Time, which is UTC (or GMT) + 5 1/2 hours. Probably there is no internationally accepted IST? --Gurubrahma 08:46, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Important Cities

We now have a footer listing the cities of importance in Andhra, do we still need to have a separate section in the article?Vvuppala 23:20, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

No citation given for the order according to size, hence listed in alphabatical order, User:Apstate.

[edit] Dance

Why is the number of movie theaters under the section Dance? I edited it out yesterday and addedd Andhra natyam, only to find that it has been removed. Maybe a separate section of Tollywood is needed.

Hm, strange. I don't know why it was edited out. The information looks legit. I'll let Gurubrahma a chance to respond, and will revert tomorrow if it doesn't clear up. Vvuppala 11:08, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

My apologies, at first glance it wasn't clear as to what exactly was added. I've already responded on the user's talkpage, asking him to feel free to add back the information with references - also, it did not appear legit as he edited out the bit abt the movies. He shd have probly moved it to a separate sub-section. btw, "Andhra Natyam" scores only 218 hits on google and is not as famous as, say Kuchipudi (83,000 hits). Hence, I felt that mention of "Andhra Natyam" may not be encyclopedic. --Gurubrahma 13:14, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps you typed something in wrong. I searched for Andhra Natyam, and got 12,500 hits. Apparently, Andhra Natyam is a historical dance, one that has been resurrected by dance enthusiasts after it nearly disappeared- explaining why Kuchipudi is more famous. Thus, I'm restoring the edit. Vvuppala 14:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Varun, indeed I must've searched for something wrong. Actually, the search must be done for "Andhra Natyam" (that is, with quotes) and it gives 8,800 hits. Without quotes, it is 12,500 hits. Thanks again. --Gurubrahma 05:27, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Cheers! Vvuppala 12:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Food

I just changed the description of dosas from pancake-lik to crepe-like. A matter of thickness I suppose.

[edit] Interesting Facts section

I was wondering if it would be appropriate to add an interesting facts section to the page. For example, in Srikakulam district (primarily) there is this odd way of smoking cigars with the lit end inside one's mouth (referred to as adda-poka). I am sure there are many more such interesting things/facts about Andhra Pradesh.

Yeah sure, you can add a trivia section, as long as it conforms to WP:V. btw, I'd believe that the cigar is more of a beedi and the proper english name would be cheroot - also, AFIK, it is smoked in that way in large parts of AP by the working class women, though it has reduced in the last 10-15 years. Please sign your posts with ~~~~. Thanks, --Gurubrahma 06:33, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Maps

Hi! Have updated + added maps of AP (More available at commons:Category:Andhra Pradesh district maps). Could not find a section to add the map showing all the rail links in the state though. Comments/suggestions welcome. Cheers! --ΜιĿːtalk 13:00, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] revert multiple edits by 131.225.82.45 - Factual inaccuracies & POV

I have reverted these edits because of several factual distortions. Neelam Sanjiva Reddy was the first chief minister of Andhra Pradesh, not Bezwada Gopal Reddy. Bezwada was the second chief minister of Andhra (that is, the state without Telangana), after Tanguturi Prakasam. Indira Gandhi contested from Medak in 1980, not 1982; no record to show that NTR supported her. Chandrababu Naidu joined TDP only after it came to power. Also, the edits had a lot of POV and a bit of personal attacks. Hence, I have reverted the same. --Gurubrahma 05:04, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wow Telugu

I have seen that a lot of edits are being made adding Wowtelugu.com to the lead section. This should be avoided as the correct place for such links is the "External links" section. I have added the link there. If someone feels that the link should be there in the lead, please discuss here before adding. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 07:50, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

It was link spam. They keep adding it. I had removed them plenty of times before. If you notice it, please remove (per WP:NOT). - Ganeshk (talk) 08:02, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

There is clear policy that WP is not the place for advertising. These links can be removed per WP:NOT. If this keeps happening, the users can/will be blocked. - Ganeshk (talk) 08:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

(The text below is transcripted from User:Ganeshk's talk page for centralized discussion)

i added wowtelugu.com and fullastrology.com bcz they are providing interest information including telugu cinema gossipos by wowtelugu.com and cultural based information which is most important for telugu people throughout world. Even the state Govt of Andhra Pradesh starts its day on ugadi with panchangam. similarly most of the information in the www.fullastrology.com is free of cost and useful to the people of world in general and telugu people of andhra pradesh in particular. the predictions given by sri nookala suryanarayana about hard ware importance in andhra pradesh and in India came true in last year telugu panchangam and it is proudly placed in the talk of today of the thatstelugu.com , a popular telugu portal. hence it is justified the link , i need ur feedback in the matter with regards v pavan kumar MS—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.65.150.198 (talk • contribs).

Hello V Pavan Kumar. We understand that you added these links in the article in good faith. However, we feel that these links shouldn't find a place here. The reason being that Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia and not a gossip magazine. For details, see WP:NOT to know what Wikipedia is not. Hence, as a policy, we discourage links to commercial websites unless the website is directly relevant to the topic being discussed and will help the encyclopedia reader in understanding the topic better and in reliable manner. The trouble with commercial websites is often with respect to reliability and self-promotion. Note that the issue whether they provide interesting information is also your point of view. The govt. of Andhra Pradesh starts its day on ugadi with panchangam, so this specific information can be added (in not more than a single sentence) in the govt. of Andhra Pradesh's article while discussing it under religious influence on govt's functioning. But however, this does not mean that we add links to all sites that provide panchangam. If the site in question is THE ONLY SITE to provide panchangam, then its notable; else its not and should not be mentioned. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 11:21, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] YSR

Added YSR's middle name. Since the chief minister is commonly known as "YSR" added what the S stood for (Sandinti) for those unfamiliar with Andhra Pradesh and its politics. -- Brown cp 23:09, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

What value does it add? Mlpkr 17:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Andhra" versus "Andhra Pradesh"

There are several instances where the state is referred to simply as “Andhra”. Since the term “Andhra” is sometimes also used in reference to the coastal region. I think it would be best to use the term “Andhra Pradesh” when the referring to the state. -- Brown cp 23:09, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Between 1953 and 1956 there used to be a state called "Andhra State" which was merged with Telangana(Telugu speaking districts of Hyderabad state) in 1956 to become "Andhra Pradesh" state. So Tanguturi Prakasham Pantulu is first Chief Minister of Andhra State and Neelam Sanjeeva Reddy is first Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh State.

[edit] Synonyms

Andhra and Telangana are synonyms. Andhra is Sanskrit word and Telangana is Telugu word for Telugu country. Even the coastal region is part of Telangana although popular usage does not confirm to this fact. E.g., 1. Andhra Satavahanas who ruled the major part of Souhth India for 500 years covered the whole of present day Telugu speaking region. 2. When Musunuri Prolaneedu recaptured Warangal from Delhi sultanate and united the whole Telugu country he proclaimed himself "Andhradesaadheeswara" and "Andhrasuratraana". It is unfortunate that Telugu people got mentally alienated from each other by various historical and economic reasons.

[edit] Ordering of Culture sections

Currently the section “State Symbols” (state tree, state sport) precedes sections on Literature, Music, Dance and Movies. Are “State Symbols” really that important? Can they be relegated to the bottom of the list? Or perhaps be included in a trivia section?

Also the Movies section precedes Literature, Music and Dance. We know telugu people love their movies but shouldn’t Literature and Music precede Movies? -- Brown cp 23:09, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ordering of Regions, Cities & Districts

Currently the order is regions, cities and then districts. The order has been changed to Regions, districts to cities.

The description of the regions did not correspond to the order of the descriptions. The regions were listed in the following order Coastal Andhra, Telangana and then Rayalaseema. But the descriptions were in the following order Telangana, Coastal Andhra and then Rayalseema. This has been fixed the order of listing (according to population size) now corresponds to the order of the description.

The order of the cities needs to be cleaned up. The cities are not ordered according to size. Does anyone know of a source that shows the relative size of Andhra Pradesh cities? -- Brown cp 00:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

You can find a list here [2].This source is used in many wikipedia articles. Please rearrange the cities based on this source. Sumanthk 06:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the source. Instead of including all cities, I think it would be reasonable to cut of the list at six. -- Brown cp 21:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Telugu Language

As pointed out by a poster above there is far too detailed a description of the Telugu language. The place best suited for this information is the Telugu Language article. Incidentally there is far too much padding in this article. -- Brown cp 00:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Number of languages listed in the languages section

It would be best to not include the languages spoken by less than 2% of the people, because it statistically insignificant, at least not in a article that deals with AP as a whole. -- Brown cp 21:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Description of Hyderabad & Visakhapatanam

I have taken the description of these two cities that currently exists in the "Urban Centers of Economic Importance and incorporated them with city descriptions. It seems redundant to describe the cities twice. -- Brown cp 22:17, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deleted Revenues Of AP Govt

The revenue stats listed are irrelevant. And they only list stats for 2000 and 2005. And they serve no useful purpose for readers who want an overview of AP.

[edit] Does anyone know the enrollment numbers for the universities in AP

Currently there are 23 universities listed. This listing merely consisting of the names of the universities is not really informative to a reader looking for an overview of AP. The list has to be pruned, based on size, history, repuation and etc. Until then I have deleted the listing all together. It would be better to include information on Eductation in general in AP as opposed to merely listing the universities.

Agree, Lot of those universties are not at all well known. Just mentioning something about popular universities "Osmania, Andhra and Sri Venkateswara" here and keeping list of all universties in AndhraPradesh in separate article is fine. The government of A.P. has divided the state into three divisions. See http://www.hindu.com/2006/06/13/stories/2006061319760500.htm for example. That was the case when I studied. I think state government has recognised Kakatiya as the fourth division recently. All other universties are not significant. Mlpkr 17:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Need Information

While article in Marathi language mr:गोदावरी नदी about en:Godavari River is developing we seek co-operation for more information related to

Tributories coming from Karnatak,andhra,orisa,
Erigation Projects on Godavari and Tributories
Urban Settelements/Cities located on bank of Godavari
Flood controll lines on Godavari for various cities
Industries and industrial pollution on Godavari
Translation from Marathi to English article also is welcome

-विजय 11:07, 18 ऑगस्ट 2006 (UTC) How do you edit this

[edit] Recent additions on contemporary politics

I think this needs to be cleaned up. There appear to be many wobbly statements here. Add to that there is some vandalism around the place. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 01:59, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ridiculous

Description about a village Kancherla Palem is utterly ridiculous. Delete this.

[edit] Madras and Andhra

I believe that the current form is a POV, when it concerns Madras. The article says that historically and culturally Madras always belonged to Andhra Pradesh. However, the famous historical symbols like Parthasarathy Temple and Kapaleeswarar Temple along with many other temples are all Tamil. Throughout ancient history the Madras region was in Tamil provinces of Pallava rule, and the greatest Tamil poet, Thiruvalluvar hailed from this place. So, kindly modify the paragraph concerning Madras in the Creation of Andra Pradesh. Balajiviswanathan 00:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I am from Nellore, A.P. which is very near to Madras. Many old people in our area know the matter that Tirupati (where Tamil speaking people are more) is given in return for Madras(where telugu speaking people are more) in those days. They also recalled that Madras governor was against giving even separate state, so Potti Sriramulu from Nellore went on hunger strike and sacrificing life. It is true, but personally I am okay with removing it not to hurt sentiments like yours. Shall we? In regard to your other comment about Pallava's, just not Madras, but lot of the coastal Andhra was under Pallavas, cholas etc. It is no doubt that Tamil was older than Telugu, but the demographics must have been changed later. Mlpkr 16:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pallavas

Pallavas were satraps of Andhra Satavahanas in Palnadu region (Guntur district) who became independent after the downfall of Satavahanas. They initially ruled coastal Andhra and spread their kingdom upto Tamil regions. Later, they shifted the capital to Kanchi due to pressure from Chalukyan kings. Historians agree that Pallavas were of Aryan (Pahlava/Kambhoja) origin but not related to Tamils. Telugu was predominantly spoken upto Kanchi till the advent of British. Joining Tamil areas to Madras first by rail gradually changed the demography towards Tamil dominance. It is prudent on everyone's part to accept history and coexist peacefully. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.165.151.180 (talk) 11:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Do u know abut actor sai kumar

Hello there few years back i saw movie with name "AGNi" by actor sai kumar.i try to get search about him but could not find much information.if you can help me .he is telegu actor. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Khalidkhoso (talk • contribs) 13:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

I think he is kannad actor. He was a dubbing artist originally for Suman, Rajasekhar etc. Later he turned into here and acted in few telugu films. here are some links, see http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/Mar172004/update5.asp and http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/kannada/interview/6597.html. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mlpkr (talk • contribs) 17:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] History section

The history section is too long. It needs some clean up. The content can be moved to a new article (History of Andhra?). Sumanth 11:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Telugu userboxes

Here are some Telugu userboxes I have created. Wiki Raja 11:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

-- Hey WikiRaja, don't take credit for the work of others, I was the one who created * {{User Andhra Pradesh}} .

Bmaganti 04:09, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Uttarandhra

Telangana, Rayalaseem and Coastal Andhra are the three main regions in Andhra pradesh. It has nothing to do with any regional development boards. These are not "official" regions. --(Sumanth|Talk) 03:43, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Uttarandhra has distinctively separate from costal region both socially and culturally. This is considered separate region by all. If you do not accept, that does not mean it is not a separate region. Please do not remove Uttarandhra from region list. Please discuss before making changes to this document.--216.157.242.150 16:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Without discussion you cannot delete. Please let me know your concerns regarding adding uttatandhra to the region list. --204.8.197.45 23:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand why you are trying to add Uttarandhra. The sentence clearly says the the state is "broadly divided into three regions". Andhra/ Coastal Andhra already includes that. If it is official cite a proper reference which says that. A regional development board has nothing to do with this. --(Sumanth|Talk) 06:18, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Also see the maps which clearly show the three regions. I agree that there are cultural and social differences between Uttarandhra and the rest of coastal districts. I dont deny its existence. But it is still a part of Andhra/ Coastal Andhra. Can you show one reliable reference which contradicts this? --(Sumanth|Talk) 06:26, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Sumanth, Please read this link [[]http://www.blonnet.com/2007/05/17/stories/2007051704252100.htm] to support my reasons for adding Uttarandhra to the region list. Broadly or narrowly is just matter of wording.--69.115.254.20 15:56, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

An official reference(official as you are insisting on that):

Planning commission study of Andhra pradesh. I also would like to add some info about coastal andhra. It was 007/05/17/stories/2007051704252100.htm

We've been edit warring on this for quite some time.Though I do not agree at all with 69.115.254.20's view, I've decided to start this discussion as I felt this is a sensitive issue and come up later even if the page is protected of user blocked temporarily. Please post your opinions. We can have this as a reference for any future conflicts about the issue. --(Sumanth|Talk) 04:32, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

More info: This is the change over which we have a disagreement:http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andhra_Pradesh&diff=137788232&oldid=137608948

Just one more thing. Please comment with a cool head. No personal attacks.--(Sumanth|Talk) 04:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

My personal view: It is advisable to keep the division of Uttarandhra. There is a lot more about this region than many of us know. People have formed division of Konaseema in our wikipedia. It is similar to this. I am one of the persons against against any further division of Andhra Pradesh. United we progress: Divided we fall. Why I think to maintain this region is :

1. Similar to Telangana, it is economically very backward. (do not see visakhapatnam city alone). The tribal areas are still does not have basic needs. This may be the reason why the AP Cabinet have formed a seperate division; because we want a uniform development of entire Andhra Pradesh. Rest of the Coastal area including Godavari and Krishna districts are well developed. If we combine both, we are doing gross injustice this part of the state.
2. Culturally, as mentioned already by someone, there are close resemblance to Kalinga or Southern Orissa. Historically they are commonly ruled by the same kings. See the history section of Vizianagaram district. Then the line of demarcation was Godavari and/or Krishna rivers.
3. Simhachalam temple and many ancient temples history also reveal similar distinct characters unlike some of the South Indian characters.

Hence my request is to maintain this region; Though I do not have any good source readily, I would try to collect some information. Thank you very much.Dr. Rajasekhar A. 05:18, 13 June 2007 (UTC)Rajasekhar1961

Comment. Lets not dwell too much into the topic of state partition. Just comment on which of the following sentences is appropriate and why?

Andhra Pradesh can be broadly divided into three unofficial geographic regions, namely Kosta (Coastal Andhra/Andhra), Telangana and Rayalaseema

Andhra Pradesh can be broadly divided into four unofficial geographic regions, namely Kosta (Coastal Andhra/Andhra), Telangana, Rayalaseema and Uttarandhra --(Sumanth|Talk) 07:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Beyond doubt, the former --Altruism^{To talk} 12:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My take on AP's division

This division issue of the state, is no doubt a very controversial one. Telangana is the most prominent among these breakaway demands. Others include, Rayalaseema, Andhra, Uttarandhra, Dandakaranya etc.. Most of these agitations are lead by people with their own hidden, hypocritical agenda.

Uttarandhra is beyond doubt a part of Andhra (its all in the name.) It literally means the northern part of Andhra, popularly meant to be the coastal part of Andhra Pradesh. Breaking away of a backward region could in fact be a boon to the developed parts, instead of otherwise.

The common man would only be able to recognize only Coastal Andhra (Costa or Circars), Rayalaseema and Telangana. The rest like Uttarandhra, Dandakaranya, North Telangana etc. are newer inventions. Thanking You, Altruism^{To talk} 04:59, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

To start with, the names 'Andhra' and 'Telangana' are synonymous. Al-Biruni (10th century) talked of Andhra country where a language 'Andhri' is spoken. All medieval Muslim historians referred to the whole of Telugu country as Tilangan. Example: When Musunuri Kaapaaneedu recaptured Warangal from Muslims in 1326 CE he got the titles "Andhradesaadheeswara" and "Andhrasuratraana". Muslims consolidated their position in the present day "Telangana" region since 14th century whereas their fortunes fluctuated in coastal districts and the region controlled by Vijayanagar kings. Thus, 'Telangana' or the region ruled by Golkonda sultans and Nizam Nawabs acquired a distinct identity. Other reasons such as imposition of Urdu also created a psychological gulf. The districts on the coast from Nellore to Barampuram were always homogenous, historically and culturally. Let us not forget that some of the greatest exponents of music and Telugu literatare hailed from Srikakulam and Vijayanagarm districts. Only in the past six decades, economic differences arose due to the efforts of Sir Arthur Cotton. It is unreasonable to create another division by name "Uttarandhra" solely on the basis of economic disparity. If one starts doing such an exercise, India or A.P., can be divided into multiple regions, often comprising of two or three districts. 'Uttarandhra' is a recent political creation. Historically this geographical entity was non-existant. I do not hold the view that another geographical entity is creaed de novo and instill psychological divisions among Telugu-speaking people. Kumarrao 13:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Response from Uttarandhra

Wikipedia should reflect official regions declared by government[[3]]. Not unofficial regions or governing divisions.
Uttarandhra is a separate region from the past till present. If you look at history, Uttarandhra was ruled by Kalinga, Vizianagaram, Bobbili and other smaller kingdoms. It was never ruled by kingdoms that ruled costal districts.
When people talk about Uttarandhra, they say Uttarandhra region or Uttarandhra prantham, not Uttarandhra division. Division is unheard when people talk about Rayalaseema or Uttarandhra. People, government or media, when they refer to Uttarandhra or Rayalaseema, they refer as region or prantham, not division. Division is new term being used by you when referring to Rayalaseema or Uttarandhra regions.
When regional development boards were created, they would have said divisional development boards by government. Why did govt. they refer to as Uttarandhra regional development board? The answer is simple. Uttarandhra, Rayalaseema, Telanagana and Kostha are regions not divisions. They are regions in the eyes of government. When govt. itself considers Uttarandhra region, I don't understand the whole discussion is about.
If you want list revenue divisions, each district is divided into two to three revenue divisions based on the district size. Please do not mix revenue division with region. Region is much bigger in size than revenue division.
Please refer to think news link about Uttarandhra Vedic Sammelan [[4]]. You do not read about Konaseema Vedic Sammelan or Konaseema regional development board etc. Here are more links about Uttarandhra region [5]
Uttarandhra is always referred to as a region by media, polical parties and people.
Uttarandhra has distinct telugu accent i.e. yasha, history, culture of its own different from rest of Coastal Andhra.

--69.115.254.20 02:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Some more comments

Please note that wikipedia does not represent the Andhra pradesh goverment. Wikipedia represents widely accepted facts. For e.g the Karnataka government has changed the name of Bangalore to Bengaluru, but the name of article in wiki is still Bangalore as i twould take some time beofre Bengaluru is widely accepted and used.
I agree that when people do refer to Uttarandhra as a region. But when people use the name Andhra or Cosatal Andhra, what do they mean? Do they mean cosatal districts of Andhra excluding North coastal districts?
Historically coastal andhra meant all coastal districts of Andhra pradesh. Some official and unoffical links below:

Article in Hindu about struggle for andhra state which says "Historically, Andhra Pradesh consists of three distinct regions — Telangana, Rayalaseema and Coastal Andhra." Info about by National Informatics Planning commison report In the above links if Coastal ANdhra didn't include Uttrandhra, do you mean to say that Uttrandhra was not in Andhra pradesh at all?

Now lets say historically Costal andhra might have included Uttarandhra (disprove the above the citations if you don't agree), but it is not longer considered like that. Now when did this happen? Is it after Ap government constituted the regional development board in May 2007. Do you any reference before that? I can give you refernce as recent as december 2006 which shows that AP government considered the state to consist of three main regions (here again I am not saying Uttarandhra is not a region, the question does it fall under some major region). See this link dated december 2006:

[6] What are the three regions in this link?

Ok, you say after the notificaion in May, the above historical links are no longer valid.

But do you expect people all of a sudden start referring to coastal andhra as "coastal andhra exluding north coastal andhra". It takes time for things to be widely known accepted.

Please note that no one here is undermining the importance of Uttarandhra. As you are from uttarandhra you always see your region as a distinct region. But please see it from a neutral point of view and try to understand the common use of the term Coastal Andhra.
By the word division I meant something that is offical. The section "divison" contains official partitions or division or regions. I have no objection in addding that "Ap governemnt recognizes four regions " in that section. But geography is a different section.

Once people start widely using the term Coastal andhra to mean "Costal districts excluding Uttarandrha" only then we can say that AP is divided into four major regions. --(Sumanth|Talk) 05:45, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

P.S:Off topic: It is a pity to see very few people involved in andhra pradesh articles. I hope the number of andhr wikipedians increases.

One more latest link: YSR announces IIIT growth centres in 3 regions Mar 26, 2007. What does YSR mean by three regions? Hez just sticking to the common understanding of the three regions in the state.--(Sumanth|Talk) 08:02, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

See this article by noted political analyst GVL narasimha rao: [7] dated FRIDAY, JUNE 15, 2007. He says --(Sumanth|Talk) 08:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)"But giving away Telangana may damage the Congress severely in the other two regions, particularly in the coastal region, which is the largest of the three regions." Why is he saying there are only three regions? Because Coastal andhra includes all coastal districts and that is the common term in use.

Any further inputs on this? Does anyone have any references to prove that the coastal andhra doesn't include Uttarandhra?--(Sumanth|Talk) 11:29, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Recently, the Andhra Pradesh government has formed four regional boards. However, the original intention was to form three boards for three regions - what these regions are, is obvious, Kostha, Rayalaseema and Andhra. Please see this and this. One way to resolve this is to say that "traditionally, the state of Andhra Pradesh has been described as comprising three regions, namely Kostha, Telangana and Rayalaseema (insert some common refrences on "3 regions") while of late, it is described as comprising four areas, with the Kostha or Coastal Andhra being further divided into Uttarandhra (Northern AP) and coastal Andhra; this can be evidenced in the government order setting up four regional boards for four areas." If there is agreement, we can also mention the area of each of the three regions and area of each of the four regions (just adding the areas of constituent districts shd do the trick) - this would also help the reader in drawing a conclusion about relative sizes of the three/ four areas though we may not be in a position to say when and why (new identity? administrative convenience? political expediency?) the three areas have become four areas. Even during the Telanagana unification movement, the famous poet Dasaradhi wrote in a poem - the 2 crore people from 2 regions of Andhra eagerly await meeting their one crore siblings from the region of Telangana; so, historically, it has been 3 areas (btw, population of current day AP in 1950's was 3 crores). Also, in election analyses, it is shown only as three regions. --Gurubrahma 14:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I suggest the following change to Gurubrahma's proposal: "while of late, it is also/officially described as comprising four areas,". This is because the the four region usage is not yet widespread. --(Sumanth|Talk) 04:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

This is OK: "while of late, it is also described as comprising of four areas". Kumarrao 12:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 3 parts of andhra pradesh

i think the three area map needs reorganising they are occupying and wasting the place in the article. please consider shifting some to right and some to left. I did not do that because there is already a heated discussion going on i dont want to intervene--S172142230149 00:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

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