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I like the last line Update as needed.

cute!

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Why are there so many individual articles? Most of this could easily go into one article. Are there any special reasons? Kosebamse 08:51, 3 Aug 2003 (UTC)

At the end it states: "Originally based on content from an old encyclopedia. Update as needed." I am also not happy with this article, it is on my "to do" list. But if you want to start, feel free to improve the article! :-) Fantasy 09:28, 3 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I think the original Alps article in 1911EB was very long (from a 1911 point of view, the Alps were the most interesting mountains in the world, not least because many other ranges were still largely unexplored), and had to be broken up into 32k pieces. Before talking about merging, read each sub-article and decide which sentences you can drop, and update with 20th-century info, then see how big the result will be. Stan 17:47, 3 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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This group of articles is quite weird. The part of the alps in Eastern Styria and Lower Austria are completely missing. Several peaks there still reach above 2000m (e.g. the Schneeberg). If the Semmering pass is not alpine, then I don't know what. AFAIR, the Wienerwald (Vienna Woods) reaching into the outskirts of Vienna (highest peak being the Schöpfl with 900m or so) and the Leitha mountains at the border between Lower Austria and Burgenland are considered the last outlyers of the alps. The hills north of the Danube don't belong to the Alps and are geologically much older.

Contents 1 Groups of the Alps 2 Improvement 3 HUH 4 The Name Alpes 5 Monaco 6 Alps from space 7 Alp redirects to Australian Labor Party

[edit] Groups of the Alps

I replaced the rather weird (and restrictive) subgroupings from the Britannica in the Eastern Alps with the more common ones which can be found in the German Wikipedia. Articles about many of the groups need to be written. Also, the same should be done for the Western Alps.Martg76 21:42, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Improvement

I improved the article some, added sub titles, links to sub articles and summaries, but there still is work to do. The sub articles need major work since they are all mostly copies of the 1911 encyclopedia. Elfguy 19:25, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

I guess the sections "overview" and "geographical limits" could be merged to "geography", and the subarticles Limits of the Alps and Main chain of the Alps could go into something like Geography of the Alps. Markussep 19:03, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] HUH

what language do the apilation people speak????? i need to knwo

If you are referring to Alpine people, as opposed to Apilation people (apilation people are found in North America)

I assume you mean Alpine people. In France, they speak French

In Switzerland they speak *Swiss German (to the north), French (to the Sount West), Romanish (a very small group to the south) and Italian (to the south and south-east).

• Swiss German has its origin in the Habsburg Empire, it is significantly different in pronounciation to International German or "High German".

Many words of Swiss German are also spelled differently to High German.

In Austria they speak German

In Lichtenstein they speak German (like Swiss German)

In Italy they speak Italian

Let's not forget Slovenia, where Slovenian is spoken. WorldWide Update 15:58, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

In some parts of the Italian Alps, French, German and Rheato-romanish (Ladino) are spoken. Woodwalker 21:40, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Name Alpes

In the article the name of the Alpes: "The word "Alps" was taken via French from Latin Alpes (meaning "the Alps"), which may be influenced by the Latin words albus (white) or altus (high), or a Celtic word."

Which Celtic word is being referred to. Is this simply speculation or is there some etymological basis to the comment?

the statement is ripped off from here, where we find the additional "according to Servius". dab (ᛏ) 11:03, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Firstly sorry for not registering, I am not sure how to do that. Thanks for the prompt reply, but as someone who natively speaks a Celtic language I am curious. For example, in my own native Irish the words "The Alps" are "Na hAlpa" Suggesting to me that we took the word from Latin.

But as the comment is here in an encyclopedia, the lack of citation is troubling. Maybe you can add to the article by saying that Servious suggested that it had a Celtic origin.

A very interesting article bye the way, thanks for writing it! Richard

Actually, I have just done some Etymological research in Gealic (Irish Celtic) and WOW! you do learn something new every day!

The old Gealic word for mountain is infact "alp", bearing in mind the Romans never arrived in Ireland, so no Latin in the old version of the language. Remarcable.

Again thanks for the quick reply which appears to have cleared that one up quickly!

Richard

Celtic languages were spoken in France and Northern Italy in the first millenium BC. So the origin of the name Alps does not have to be founf in Ireland. Woodwalker 21:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I have altered the passage in question based on the above. It is unlikely that Romans would make such a slurring language derivation into Latin and on the other hand derivations from the languages of the people they considered to be barbarians. On the other hand borrowings especially for place names associated with those peoples was very common. Lycurgus 02:03, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

The name of the mountain comes from Turkish like a BALKAN Balkan means in old Turkish=mountain.in Turkish Alp means= brave,manly,violent,strong. I think these words are suitable for ALPs.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.254.200.83 (talk) 13:35, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't think Turkish was spoken anywhere near the Alps in the time when they were first referred to as "Alpes", given that the Turks only arrived in present Turkey from Central Asia in the 11th century. Markussep ^Talk 14:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I cant say anything about Alpes but you are wrong "Turks only arrived ...11th Century". What about Huns and Atilla??? And also Turkic(and I don't understand this word we are saying for all of them Turk) tribes were inside Magyars. And What is meaning of Huns? Ogur-Tukurgur-Ungur-Hunugur Means= Nine Arrow... Ogur=Arrow in old Turkish. Also interested with Bulgars(Proto-Turks) and Sabar(Siberian Turks).Everybody can research that.Whats the name of Magyars today? Hungarian. Alp is very very old Turkish word.Look at Orkhon(and old Hungarian Script 10th century).I dont saying thats certainly true.But Maybe..

The word "alpes" was already used by the Romans long before the Huns arrived in the 4th century AD. I'm ready to believe that "alp" is an old Turkish/Turkic word, but whether it has any relation to the mountains is questionable at most. It probably also means something in Quechua or Maori language. Markussep ^Talk 16:13, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

"Alp" is indeed a Turkish honorific, as in Alp Arslan. The Turkish term has nothing whatsoever to do with the name of the Alps. --dab (𒁳) 16:38, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Bu what about Etruscan Civilization ??? They lived Toscana. Near Alps. And their DNA's same with modern Anatolian Turks. Please read these

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http://users.cwnet.com/millenia/ETRUSCANDICTIONARY.htm RUNİC ETRUSCAN

[edit] Monaco

Any reason why Monaco isn't mentioned? Its situated at the southern tip of Maritime Alps isn't it?

More or less, the main chain of the Maritime Alps is about 40 km further north. Monaco's highest point is 140 m, I think that's not really alpine. Markussep 20:50, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alps from space

The caption of the Alps from "space" is a little odd. It says that the picture is of the Alps from space. It obviously did not come from outer space. The caption, to me, implies it is an actual picture taken from outer space from a spacecraft when in reality it is from google earth or something similar. What do you think? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ole10589 (talk • contribs) 01:23, 28 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Alp redirects to Australian Labor Party

Can links to Alp be fixed to point to Alps instead? Just a heads up that people are being redirected confusingly. DavidRF 14:12, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. Alp used to redirect here for a long time, and the incoming links shows that that's still the most likely intention. --Stemonitis 14:17, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

"Alp" cannot be used to refer to the Alps: the singular, "an alp", refers to an alpine pasture, not the mountains. --dab (𒁳) 16:35, 14 January 2008 (UTC)