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When is it advet? This year the fourth sunday in december is the 24th. Is this the 4. advent sunaday as well ? (Anonymouns wikipedia user)
Why is this under season of advent rather than simply under advent? Michael Hardy 22:51, 17 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Does anyone fancy working on WikiProject Christian liturgical year? Gareth Hughes 10:53, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
"In the Roman Catholic Church, Advent begins on the fourth Sunday before Christmas..." Wouldn't it be better to say: "In the Western Church, Advent begins on the fourth Sunday before Christmas" here? Advent is observed in churches (Anglican, Lutheran, many Methodist churches among them) other than the Roman Catholic Church and it begins within those other churches on the fourth Sunday before Christmas. User:Grumpykansan 10:36, 4 Nov 2005
"A few non-liturgical Christians, or Catholics for whom different coloured candles are unavailable, use red candles for the four Sundays." Its actually very traditional to use red candles in Germany, at home as well as in church. People do use other colours (purple, blue, rose or wahtever), bur for simple reasons of style and taste ("Matches my curtains"). Coming from a lutheran protestant church, I don´t really know if its the same in the catholic church - although all my catholic friends have red-candle-wreaths. Coming to the point: The candle-colour is definitely not bound to the question wether the church follows a liturgy or not. At least not everywhere.
[edit] Advent themes
Why is there nothing in the article about the themes of advent?216.21.142.16 21:39, 15 September 2005 (UTC)Steve J. 14:40 Sept.15, 05
Has anyone found a bond between Advent and John the Baptist? John the Baptist gave us a pathway out of the wilderness through a baptism of repentance. He revealed the universal alternative, the One who would baptize with the Holy Spirit. What does this have in common with Advent? Mike81859 04:20, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
- Traditionally, John the Baptist features prominently in the gospel readings, hymns and prayers of Advent. His Advent role is that of forerunner, preparing the way for the Messiah. This ties in also with the focus on the baptism of Jesus celebrated in Epiphany. --Gareth Hughes 17:56, 7 December 2005 (UTC)]]
Well, Advent is a time of preparation and penitence, and J the B is known for "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!" Which is tailor-made for Advent. (unsigned User:Cfortunato)
Those pages have so much they got linkspammed everywhere! Dominick (TALK) 18:00, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
How universal is the order of the themes of Advent? From looking at the advent related pages, there seems to be a statement of the same order every year, universally followed. Yet, this isn't always true. for example. Community of Christ advent 2006 Year C advent theme order is Peace, Hope, Love, Joy. For Advent 2005, Year B it was Hope, Peace, Joy, Love,and next year, Year A 2007, it will be Peace, Hope, Joy, Love. Is Community of Christ unique in the order changing or are their other Christian tradtions which use a different order?
[edit] Sarum rite colors
The part about blue coming from the Sarum rite appears to be false:
http://cantuar.blogspot.com/2005/12/liturgical-colors-in-sarum-rite.html
The Sarum Rite color for Advent was black, not blue.]]
The confusion comes from the fact that the color is called "Sarum Blue." But WHY is it called Sarum Blue? Supposedly, it originated in Salisbury Cathedral, and Salisbury's ancient name was "Sarum." It's still called that. It's also the tradition color in the West of the garb of the Virgin Mary (She wears red in Eastern Art - and odd distinction between Eastern and Western Christianity.) (unsigned User:Cfortunato)
added signature Dominick (TALK) 14:29, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
The cantuar.blogspot.com article (Fr. Taylor Marshall) is mistaken in equating the Use of Lichfield with that of Sarum. I covered the issue here: http://orthodox-okie.blogspot.com/2005/12/sarum-blue-and-advent.html The Sarum Rite color for Advent was violet, which in terms of Medieval terminology is what we would call a 'dark blue' today. Black was also the Advent color for York, however - there was not a uniformity of Uses, and Sarum did not follow that of Lichfield or York, and it was Sarum's use that came to preeminence over the British Empire. Aristibule 08:05, 11 January 2006.
[edit] Fish Eaters
How can links to Fish Eaters be "spam"? americancatholic.org - run by St. Anthony Messenger Press, a private company -- is linked to repeatedly. (Same with catholic.com, another private company) Wikipedia is their second biggest referrer according to Alexa (same with catholic.com). Where else will you get the information at the Lent section of that site you keep taking down? What is the deal here? Traditional Catholics are the ones who INVENTED Advent! Malachias111 14:38, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
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I completely agree with Malachias, and I'm the sort of liberal he probably wouldn't have much use for. :). Fish Eaters is not just a legitimate site - it's a major liturgical resource. It's not spam. User: cfortunato
- Fisheaters has been prolifically linkspammed into Wikipedia. Before Christmas I removed it from over a hundred articles. As far as I can tell it has no provable authority. I asked about that on the traditionalist catholic article and got lots of arm-waving and no hard evidence - I am ill-disposed to give linkspammers a free pass, especially since the "one or two" areticles which some suggested might be appropriate has once again as of this evening turned into rather a lot more than one or two. The "traditionalist catholic" viewpoint is pretty much 100% irrelevant to a general article on Advent. Malachias knows my view on all this. - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C]
AfD? 01:20, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
The Fish Eaters pages on Advent should definitely be added. As cfortunato said, Fish Eaters is a major liturgical resource and information can be found there that can't be found anywhere else. I am not buying this "spam" bit from JzG. 66.235.22.204 (talk) 15:32, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] This had pornographic comments put on it.
I deleted the comments but I do not know if anything was deleted from the article by the offending party. Could someone please check and make sure that all of the information on Advent is still here?vashsunglasses 02:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I just deleted a bunch of vandalism. Maybe this article should be marked as protected from vandalism, since this is obviously the second time its happened? Fruit Blender 15:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Correction
Christians today endure as they await the second coming of Jesus. has been changed to 'Christ' -- seeing as Christians are not waiting for 'Jesus of Nazareth' to return. They are waiting for The Christ. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nalco (talk • contribs) 22:10, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Help!
I cannot edit The page Concerning 'Advent' because i am a new user when will i be able to? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanjay09 (talk • contribs) 17:53, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
- It's usually about three or four days. What edit would you like to make? —Angr If you've written a quality article... 05:03, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I would like to add about some of the hymns sung in advent my account has been used for more than four days..--hannah (talk) 13:26, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
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- The protection was due to expire in a few hours from now anyway, so I took it off early. Happy editing, and be sure to cite your sources so that everything you add is verifiable as not being original research! —Angr If you've written a quality article... 14:02, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "Waiting for the Messiah" in the past tense
Article currently reads:
"Latin adventus is the translation of the Greek word parousia, commonly used in reference to the Second Coming. Christians believe that the season of Advent serves a dual reminder of the original waiting that was done by the Hebrews for the birth of their Messiah as well as the waiting that Christians today endure as they await the second coming of Christ."
As it stands, this is IMHO arguably POV in the phrasing "the original waiting that was done by the Hebrews for the birth of their Messiah" (i.e., something in the past tense.) (Many) Jews in the centuries after Jesus continued to wait for the coming of Mashiach, and many continue to do so today (see Messiah, Jewish messianism, Judaism's view of Jesus).
Therefore, I question whether the past tense is appropriate here. -- Writtenonsand (talk) 20:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
