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Contents 1 Your revert on shopping mall 2 Club Penguin 3 Harding University 4 Illogical 5 Citations 6 1980s 7 Stop messing up OUR school's entry 8 Warning vandals 9 I am wondering if you are from Poestenkill? 10 George Washington 11 Michael Bernard Mukasey 11.1 Wedding citation 12 Why the Lance Bass double revert? 13 My edit on Huntington 14 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Leadershipcover.jpg 15 Fort Zumwalt West High School edit 16 Harding quotes 17 Dwight D. Eisenhower

[edit] Your revert on shopping mall

Funny about how you reverted the edit about the whole "eat and shop" paragraph. When I saw that, my first reaction was, "How is eating and shopping at the same time revolutionary? The tackier customers eat and shop at the same time in my store all the time." It's a sad commentary when people can't stop eating long enough to go shopping, don't you think? SchuminWeb (Talk) 08:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Club Penguin

Stop vandalizing club penguin—Preceding unsigned comment added by Ratónbat (talk • contribs) 18:22, January 22, 2007 (UTC)

how do i put in a photograph in the club penguin article?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Ratónbat (talk • contribs) 22:31, March 20, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Harding University

I read the Harding website. They claim to be affiliated with the Church of Christ ... not some Churches of Christ. What is the secondary source to document your change? (My daughter attends there, and so we know Harding very well). Is it that a church you attend doesn't consider itself grouped with the remaining Churches of Christ? If so, then why are you editing this article? Mom in Texas.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.185.55.79 (talk • contribs) 15:05, March 28, 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia's Churches of Christ article describes their congregational autonomy. Since there are no "formal headquarters, councils, or hierarchal church government" there can be no formal affiliation with the "Church of Christ" as a whole. Individual congregations may affiliate with the university, though the university cannot truly affiliate with all churches of Christ. --Adavidb 21:27, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Illogical

According to Adavidb's logic, then, it is impossible to have this encyclopedia article on a category or class of topic called the Churches of Christ. If there is no formality whatsoever, then this article exists in defiance of Wikipedia rules, as no secondary sources would document it's existence.

But yet there is this "thing" known as the Churches of Chirst, and secondary sources abound to document its existence and historical nature. It is a collective movement, with distinct notable events in time.

If we go with your logic, an aritcle should NOT exist at all. If we use my logic, the article is justified, and citations of secondary sources are required per Wikipedia rules. Harding claims it is affiliated with the Churches of Chirst ... and it is not that Churches of Christ affiliate with it. They explain so in their school history, in which the name of the school is credited to

"James A. Harding, co-founder and first preident of Nashville Bible School (now David Lipscomb University) in Nashville, Tenn. A preacher, teacher and Christian educator, James A. Harding inspired his co-workers and associates with an enthusiasm for Christian education that remains a significant tradition at Harding University."

Regardless of Harding, James A. Harding makes the quote on CENI, and it is a principle ... dare I say "creed" of the Churches of Christ? Yes, it is, and it is documented as such. Any Church of Christ which denies the principle behind this statement would not have a doctrine qualifying it to be loosely "associated" with what both society ... and people within the movement ... define collectively as this category of churches.

If that is NOT true, then there is no "group" which is definable in a collective sense known as the Churches of Christ, unified about a certain set of principles, and then you would be correct ... and then this article cannot be documented and should be deleted from this website. If the NATURE of the "Churches of Christ" cannot be DENOMINATED into a coherent citable article ... then it's time for deletion of this article, due to failure to meet the Wikipedia standards.

In other words, the mere existence of this article challenges the very nature of this group, and the negative responses (vandalisms) to the article is in-and-of itself PROOF of the groups existence, therebe justifying the article and JUSTIFYING citable sources, like James A. Harding. Grayghost01 00:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

P.S. ... I see someone else has sniffed out your irrationality.

I referred to the autonomy described in the Wikipedia article and did not use individual logic. Individual congregations are governed locally and with the Bible as their guide, do tend to share the same practices. Collectively they are referred to as "Churches of Christ". Because of their autonomy however, differences between them exist, which as you've noted do seem to present problems with maintaining the associated article. --Adavidb 12:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

I just saw your edits over on the Barbershop Harmony Society page, and I wanted to mention something that you might find helpful. Your citations look fine, but Wikipedia offers citation templates that can be used to help organize necessary information for the citation. I was going to do one or two like this yesterday but it was already getting late.

If you do use these, you put them between the <ref> </ref> tags, and you don't have to make each line appear on a separate line like they show on that page. Just separate each line with a vertical line | and any sections that you don't fill in won't be displayed. Once you get it down these can be time saving, as you just have to copy and paste one into a document and add the details where they need to go. Anyway, happy editing! Hewinsj 16:27, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. I have used the {{cite ... }} templates some in the past, though it never became a habit. I'll experiment again with using cite templates and see how it goes. —Adavidb 01:59, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good. If they work for you cool, if not what your doing is fine too. I just know they've been helpful to me in the past so I try to mention them in case it helps others. Hewinsj 03:14, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 1980s

Oops, I appear to have inadvertently trodden on fingers. I didn't see that you had already started work on tidying this article, and I made a handful of improvements myself (well I think they are improvements). Nothing significant, just minor grammar and phrasing nits. I shall slink away and find another article to cut my wikiteeth on. --Archaro 21:58, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

No need to "slink away"; you're certainly welcome to improve any article. My concern was the return of the 'grammar' template with no provided examples. Thanks for responding. —Adavidb 02:43, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stop messing up OUR school's entry

You don't go to our school. You don't know what it's like. Get off our page and stop changing things.

-Pallotti High School —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.77.203 (talk • contribs) 03:16, June 8, 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism will be reverted and blocked. —Adavidb 10:45, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

There was NO "vandalism" on our page before you started ruining it. You dont go to school there anyway, why the hell do you care whats on our page?? LEAVE US ALONE! Wow you must really have no life if you have nothing better to do than mess up other peoples entries on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.77.203 (talk • contribs) 00:54, June 11, 2007 (UTC)

One's contributions speak for themselves. —Adavidb 12:07, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Warning vandals

Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made to Battle of North Point, you may already know about them, but you might find Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit was inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. --AW 16:11, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of those templates. Thanks. —Adavidb 23:58, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I am wondering if you are from Poestenkill?

You seem to know allot about Poestenkill, so I was wondering, are you from here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Halim7 (talk • contribs) 23:46, June 8, 2007

I came across the Poestenkill article after you added a related sentence to the James A. Garfield article, which I've been updating as well. While not from Poestenkill, I did some research to find citations for some of the existing content with the intent of improving the article. —Adavidb 00:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] George Washington

Please note that the revision back to the mistaken information about when Thomas Jefferson took office as secretary of state was not appreciated. Jefferson was Minister to France at the time of his appointment and was unable to return home until months afterwards. Jay was still Secretary of Foreign affairs, as a holdover from Confederation, and when the name of the department was changed in September 1789, he became Secretary of State.

As to his being chief justice for some of that time, well, things were different back then. John Marshall was Secretary of state and Chief Justice simultaniously too, a few weeks in 1801. Marberry vs. Madison and all that.Ericl 20:04, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Appreciated or not, Wikipedia policy requires attribution for information included in articles. General proclamation of such information in talk pages is not a substitute for proper citations. —Adavidb 02:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Bernard Mukasey

From the NY Times article: "Judge Michael Bernard Mukasey of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York". I doubt there are two Michael Mukasey's working in as judges of the District Court for the Southern District of New York. Whether or not you like the cite, either find another or let the current one stand. Thanks. --MZMcBride 22:50, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

In a word, "chill". I somehow missed the reference to Mukasey in the cite. It will stand. —Adavidb 23:06, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't mean to bite. Cheers. --MZMcBride 23:12, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wedding citation

Instead of a surprising wedding announcement, which will throw more than a few other readers, why not an article that is relevant to more of the individual's life?

Shenon, Philip; and Benjamin Weiser. "A Washington Outsider With Many Sides", New York Times, September 18, 2007. Retrieved on 2007-09-18. 

-- Yellowdesk 01:40, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

This alternate source is fine with me. —Adavidb 04:01, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why the Lance Bass double revert?

Why did you revert my revert of vandalism to the Lance Bass article? If you have a reason for leaving the nonsense, please state it. Meanwhile, I've reverted again. —Adavidb 19:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

oh...I thought you did the nonsense...sorry--Phoenix 15 19:48, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My edit on Huntington

Umm I'm not exactly sure what I did was vandalism on that article, all I did was add links to different articles on the site. How does that count as vandalism? Please, tell me what I did wrong because I'm obviously missing something since all I was trying to do was improve the article. Thanks. -User:noneforall

When added links have nothing to do with the article or words to which they're linked, they constitute vandalism. As included on your user talk page, this link shows the edit that you made. Thomas Dongan has nothing to do with Governor Richard Nicholls or Huntington, New York. —Adavidb 22:49, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Leadershipcover.jpg

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A non-free image use rationale for this specific usage is added to the image page via a template, with all required fields, written per posted guidelines. The article in question also includes a comment about this use rationale, immediately following the image link. —Adavidb 05:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fort Zumwalt West High School edit

The new section for the Drama Department is justified, there is a section for Drama programs on several other high schools. I cited the people references to a student run Drama website, thats really the only other place to get the information if you don't go to the school. Hani20002000 (talk) 05:19, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Harding quotes

I am sorry, but I do not think that the sources you mentioned for this quote are reliable. First of all, I noted that Wikiquotes has this particular quote only as "attributed" and not as "sourced". From the guidelines: "Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." I do not think these websites have the desired reputation, even if one of them is hosted by the State of Delaware.

• The first source (WETA) mentions as fact that he had an illegitimate daughter with Nan Britten, who he supported with the help of Secret Service agents. This Wikipedia article is much more ambiguous about the whole story, and in particular states that Britten's story did not hold up under questioning in court.
• The second source starts with another unsourced quotation! The one about "not fit for this office". This is an extreme statement which I removed some time ago from this article, since no reliable sources could be found.
• The last source just lists trivia about presidents. Though I am sure that they have the correct birth dates etc., I don't see why this website should be particularly reliable with regards to quotations.

I am sure that more websites could be found that list this quote; there are also a lot of places where you can find that he claimed to be unfit for his office. But if we cannot determine when and to who he said these things, I do not think they belong in this article. I think we need pretty strict standards for direct quotes. --KarlFrei (talk) 13:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

We obviously disagree on what constitutes a reliable third-party source for a quotation. You've questioned the state of Delaware's reliability; does Harding's bio page on the White House web site satisfy your concern over reliability? [1] How about Grolier Online's article on Harding? [2] The series' credentials are included here. —Adavidb 03:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

About Delaware and the White House: I would put these websites together with the "tour guides" mentioned in Wikipedia:Reliable_source_examples#History ("The general public mostly gets its history from novels, films, TV shows, or tour guides at various sites. These sources are full of rumor and gossip and false or exaggerated tales.") I do not find these websites any more credible. What we are looking for here is something written by a professional historian or a primary source, for instance a New York Times article from 1923 that mentions this quote. Regarding Grolier, I don't think we can take their word that they are credible, and their list of staff does not actually seem to include any historians. More importantly however, this site does not appear to be publically accessible. At least, it asked me for a username and password. So I don't think we can use this. --KarlFrei (talk) 08:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I consider your dismissal of all these sources, especially the Grolier one, to be based on a much stricter interpretation of policy than is required. It seems I included the White House link twice rather than the one initially intended for Grolier, so that is updated above. The full Grolier Online resource does require an account for access, though not their New Book of Knowledge/American Presidency series. There is also this book source, which identifies many myths, though includes the quote in question as Harding's own: [3] —Adavidb 10:46, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it is too strict, but I think it makes sense to be very strict for direct quotations (with quotation marks). In such cases it should be clear when and where this was said. According to one source, he "remarked this privately". So how did it end up in that book?

I would have no problem with a formulation like "Due to this corruption, some of Harding's friends actually caused him more trouble than his political enemies." --KarlFrei (talk) 13:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

According to several sources I consider reputable, Harding made the comment in question to journalist William Allen White late in his presidency before the Teapot Dome Scandal became public. [4] [5] [6] —Adavidb 15:17, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

That's great, thanks for doing this research! The extra detail makes the claim more believable. Please put one of these sources in the article. I guess Highbeam is best, though you should probably mention the book title (The Teapot Dome Scandal). Thanks again. --KarlFrei (talk) 07:08, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dwight D. Eisenhower

Lyons24000 contributions to DDE have been reverted. I cited the TIME article correctly and fixed the proper bibles w/REFs. I don't know what Lyons agenda is. The wording is not correct. If you could check the REFs by reading the cited material, and fix the wording, I am not happy with the verbiage, but wanted a second set of eyes. Thanks. ~ WikiDon (talk) 04:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your edits. I made a few minor additional changes. —Adavidb 12:06, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the twice over. It needed something, but I was tired. Mr. Lyons seem to be POV. Thanks again. ~ WikiDon (talk) 20:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)