Talk:Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi
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[edit] PLO/PLF
At the end of the third paragraph, there's a reference to the "Palestinian Liberation Front (PLO)" -- is that the Palestine Liberation Front, or is it a different group? –Hajor
- The source of this information is probably http://www.jmcc.org/media/report/98/Jan/3b.htm - which says PLO, not PLF. I fixed the article accordingly. -- uriber 17:05, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
OK, thanks for the clarification! –Hajor
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There's a picture of the man on the Arabic version of the biography. Is there any way to pop it onto the English page without re-uploading it? Rjyanco 22:03, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Neutrality is important
For those who are responsible for this website,
1. There was never an internal coup within Hamas, led by Sheikh Ahmad Yassin, since he was the founder. If you say so, bring a reference, don't forget that your site is read by a lot of people.
2. Jihad is not a holy war, but a just war, for more information please read "Is Jihad a Just War? War, Peace and Human Rights Under Islamic and Public International Law", from Edwin Mellen Press.
3. It is not true that Abdel-Aziz Al-Rantissi offered no compromise with the Israeli Occupation, since in your same article you say he offered a 10-year truce.
4. In your article, you say that Yubnah was emptied...but how? Did the people disappear? or where they massacred? For more information, please visit www.deiryassin.org
5. You say that Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi was involved in terrorist activities...but what is terrorism? There is no definition whatsoever... This word is used against those who fight the United States and it's allies, as it was used by the Nazis 60 years ago. The United Nations still does not have a proper definition on it.
6. You talk about Palestinian militant operations as terrorism, but you don't even mention a bit of what is happening in Palestinian territories. What about the Jenin massacre? What about the Rafah massacre?
7. Unfortunately, your article tends to be too bias for the Israeli site.
Finally, if you want a decent picture of the late Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi, visit http://www.socialnerve.org/sections/palestine/2004/04/17/photos/rantissi.htm
- Well, all of our articles try to follow a neutral point of view. If you feel it doesn't, then edit the page--we encourage users to be bold in editing. Of course, you have to work with other users and form consensus, even those whom you might not agree with, and follow the principles of Wikiquette. And since this is a controversial subject, be prepared to draw some attention, and be willing to compromise. Also, the photos on that page are copyrighted, so we can't use them--see Wikipedia:Copyrights. Thanks for the offer, though. Yours, Meelar 15:02, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- it looks like the criticism of the above person is much like the problem in the middle east, this is however, the talk page about Mr. Rantissi and not about Jenin or Rafah, these incidents and places may actually already have wikipedia articles and if they don't, or for that matter on any subject, please do help create them. Be bold, indeed but if you are bold and biased be open to discussion because that is often the result of boldness and bias. Nothing wrong with that, as a matter of fact the ancient greeks thought that such discussion was the way to find the truth..
just my 2 cts...
[edit] Thank you
I would like to thank you for your response and I am willing to discuss the content of this article with whom it concerns. Could yoy please tell me how I can make the consensus about the content.
Thank you
[edit] Removed anti-islamist quote, since there was no web reference
I'm leaving it here, in hopes that the person who added it or anyone else can verify it for us: "We will kill Jews everywhere. There will be no security for any Jews, those who came from America, Russia or anywhere." (Chicago Tribune July 23, 2002.) Everyking 16:55, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I am not putting it back but I have found a link to something which goes a way to corroborate the statement and npov it away from your monikker of "anti-islamist".. check it out..
The original article is available to subscribers of the said newspaper for a fee but excerpts are included below http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_article=649&x_context=7
[edit] LTR/RTL problem
There's a problem with the Arabic version of his name - the '23' and the Arabic name have been reversed in place, at least on my browser, because the part as a whole rather than just the Arabic letters is rendered right-to-left. Does anyone know what can be done about that? - Andre Engels 19:18, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sourcing
This article is in serious need of sourcing. The lack of sourcing in this article is a big problem. I will work on sourcing it, but help would be apreciated.--SJP 21:17, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "Kill the Jews everywhere" quote
First I have serious doubts about the context of this quote; the source is a deadlink and not even to the original, and given the phrasing I'm not sure that "everywhere" actually means "everywhere on Earth;" Jews who "come from" America and Russia sounds like a reference to immigrants to Israel or even Israeli settlers (who mostly come from America and Russia.) Palestinians often talk of "the Jews" in the same way that Israelis talk of "the Arabs," to refer each other. Can somebody find the original and verify it?
Secondly I think it's pretty inappropriate to use this quote as some kind of summation of Rantissi's overall views. We could just as justifiably use, "I believe that [political change in Israel] would end the conflict, with a cease-fire. What is needed is a withdrawal from all of Gaza and the West Bank, a chance to establish an independent state. We will agree to a truce. [...] We cannot tell our people to continue in an unequal conflict. But neither can anyone tell them to give in, to surrender in the face of Israel's aggression." [1] Or maybe we should not use this article for a collection of cherry-picked quotes at all, and we should just follow the lead of third-party secondary sources for what we say about him. <eleland/talkedits> 11:49, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
