Talk:9K22 Tunguska
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[edit] Tunguska-M1
Ok i made this page it aint all that good so i am hopeing someone will improve it ;) I will try to improve it over time but the more people that help the better
And watch the video with the cheesy mission imposible music :D
Also there are many more items to be found here which could be added to Wiki
http://www.roe.ru/p_prod/airdef.htm
Deng 2005-12-20 15.30 CET
Was also going to move it to tunguska-m1 but am to lazy, so nice of you to move it ;)
Deng 2005-12-22 04.30 CET
I dont think it should be merged the tunguska-m1 is a vehicle in its own right a deserves its own article.
Deng 07-02-06 07.40 CET
i am not a registered user. dont remember my number, my name is John ,from Greece
- PANTSIR and TUNGUSKA are two different systems for Russia. for the NATO is one system. the correct is the first. Russian army adopt the TUNGUSKA . the PANTSIR made most for export sales. but recently Russian army decide to adopt it, to help the export sales that were with no succecs. only U.A.E get 50 PANTSIR . a deal for a Russian debt to that country. recently Jordan and Syria express interest to buy the system . Jordan is now evaluating the system. also interest expressed from a South american country. for WIKIPEDIA readers the right is that two different articles must be create. the systems are different
[edit] Myanmar
this diff has removed Myanmar from this list of users. As there is no sources it is hard to know whether it was correct to remove them or not, and asking the anon contributor for sources is asking them to disprove something (i.e. much harder than merely requiring attribution). I think it reasonable to keep any historical users and note when they stop being users. John Vandenberg 22:35, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
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- It is the same user coming with different ip and refused to use talk pages to discuss, instead he kept removing Myanmar from operator. He claimed to have confirmation from Russian MOD by speaking to his friend General Ivan and Admirial Yuri (sounds a hoax to me). According to IISS Military Balance 2007, which draws data from United Nation Register for Conventional Arms Transfer and official release from various MODs, Myanmar has acquired 48 units of Tor M-1 SAMs and a number of Tunguska-M1 units from Russia through barter trade deal using natural gas. While there is no official confirmation avialable from both country, the recent gas drilling contract awarded to two Russian state owned oil companies to drill for natural gas in Myanmar's offshore A1 gas block confirms the IISS Military Balance suggestion. It would be good if the person from greece (thats where the ip originate from) can provide any reliable contestation instead of leaving childish remarks and quotation in the article. Judging from his remarks, he sound like a child. Maybe he just doesnt understand how weapon transfer works and probably dont know what IISS is. Okkar 10:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
answer. their is a possibility . that their is a deal that is still secret. for example .few years ago Cyprus orderd from Russia 12 MI-35P attack helicopters. a Cypriot demand was that the deal should be kept secret for 10 monthns from the day that signatures felt. Cyprus wanted the helicopters to arrive secret to the country without Turkey learn anything for the deal. Russian did it. I accept the same for the case of Myanmar if is a deal like Cyprus. but the numbers of the systems is very high and that three systems different are ordered seems to make the case not really to believe. also nothing at all is known worldwide. any way . i watch every country in the world what systems operate, order ,retire , sell. i am doing this the last 23 years. first time i watch this. the reason i am getting very upset every time is because i saw people write in WIKIPEDIA about systems that dont exist in their armed forces. and because million people read these and getting bad and lie informations i am getting very upset. a guy recently wrote a lie that Serbia will buy 100 T-80 and 15 T-90 MBT. A other wrote that Bulgaria opreate 80 BMP-3. A other make his country 20 MIG-21 to be 200. of course all not true. Serbia is so in trouble that hsa no money to buy fuel for armys tanks and air force planes. how to buy these very moderns tanks ??? i believe you understand. many people write whatever they imagine or wish for their country. also i dont believe that a country can operate still WWII Bren carries and museum Bloodhound sam missiles with new state of the art weapon systems bought in extremely large numbers. is more that a joke. any way . i dont have something against you or your country. i know that Myanmar is a beautiful country. i know how the weapon deals are working in the world. i want to believe that is a direct deal between two coutries not still announsed for specific reasons.
[edit] Merger
This article should not be merged into the 9M311 article. That article talks about the 9M311 missile, given the NATO designation SA-19 "Grisom". This article is concerned with the SP AAA platform, the Tunguska-M1, which is the launch platform for the 9M311 missile. Granted, the picture should be changed at the 9M311 to prevent confusion. There are pictures avialable online of the 9M311 missile by itself. If the person who applied to tag actually took the time to read the articles, he would have seen that. The article should not be merged at all. Should the M6 Linebacker and LAV-AD sections be merged into the FIM-92 Stinger article. Probably not, so then why should this one be merged, because it would be doing basically the same thing.SAWGunner89 17:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Red Star Thrust
Added the following reference. Should give a better balance as it was part of the OPFOR material used by the US Army. Note the reference to the SA-N-19 as the GRENDEL. Could this be due to a older designation?
http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/Red-Star/issues/APR95/APR95.HTML#THREAT
Threat Update: 2S6 Tunguska Self-Propelled Air Defense System, Red Star Thrust April 95 issue, U.S. Forces Command OPFOR Training Program]
Koxinga CDF 02:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] ZSU-30-2
Is this vehicle the same as the ZSU-30-2? 66.208.12.125 17:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Why M1 in the title?
I'd call the page simply 2S6 "Tunguska". The Tunguska-M1, as the article says, is only one of at least 4 different existing models. Unless you want to make a page for every model? ;-) I mean, it's like giving the page that talks about the history and all the models of the M1 Abrams, "M1A2". That doesn't make sense. I also updated the page with some details, for instance the other vehicles of the 2K22 set. dendirrek 14:51, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- Article moved to 9M22 Tunguska since all models are discussed here, decided to use the army missile system GRAU designation but have also included the 2S6 artillery designation in the AFV box as well. Could also have used 2K22 but though 9M22 would fit better.
- Personally I think the 9M311 missile article should be merged with this article, since the missile was developed for the 9M22 Tunguska right from the start rather than just being provided as an add-on like Stinger was for LAV or Igla for the ZSU-23-4. We dont seem to have seperate articles for each missile for other systems like Tor or Osa etc and i dont see why we should do so here.
Objections?Typhoon9410 (talk) 14:31, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
