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Contents 1 Please 2 Your revert on the Azari peoples article 3 BTW... 4 5 Done 6 Blocked 7 Chill please 8 Userbox 9 Spam 10 "Userbox" 11 3RR Violation 12 I'm not an Admin 13 "Azaris are ethnic Iranians" 14 Image 15 Blocked for 1 week for trolling 16 eshkali yokhteh 17 Spamming yet again 18 User:Baku87 has vandalized the Azari people page 19 20 Intervention 21 Intervention 22 Personal attacks 23 Help 24 User: InShanee is acting incivility; his comments were not neutral at all 25 List of things to be DOne for Azari-related articles 26 Aggresive Talk With USer:InShaneee 26.1 Inshanneee Should not be an Administrator 26.2 Antogonistic Behaviour By USer:Grandmaster Not being Halted by User:InShaneee 27 Sorry, but Help Me 28 I like the Reunification of Iran and Azarbaijan concept

[edit] Please

I'll check out what's going on, but please promise me that you will be civil towards other users. —Khoikhoi 19:59, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know who you think your talking to but I have been reaching out and trying to work with other editors to solve differences. I want diologue and not edit warring as user:Grandmaster is trying to push. 72.57.230.179 20:10, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

See WP:AGF, and I'll remind you again not to make accusations against other users. I'd kind of prefer it if you'd try discussing things with this guy in a civil fashion first, and seeing how that goes. If you're still unable to reach a consensus or a comprimise, I'd be glad to attempt a mediation. --InShaneee 20:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your revert on the Azari peoples article

Excuse me, but you should read the discussion page, beofre you make such edits. This is the work of months of disccusion. I am sure it was a good natured mistake. 72.57.230.179 20:17, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I did read the discussion page. Too many assertions, not enough sources. How do you know that these people identify as Iranian (Azeris)? Telex 20:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Numerous articles that have even been placed in the discussion history. Do you want me to send you one or two? 72.57.230.179 20:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] BTW...

You might like some other interesting pictures at:

• WP:FP
• Wikipedia:Picture of the day/January 2006
• Wikipedia:Picture of the day/February 2006
• Wikipedia:Picture of the day/March 2006
• Wikipedia:Picture of the day/April 2006
• Wikipedia:Picture of the day/May 2006
• Wikipedia:Picture of the day/June 2006

Cheers! —Khoikhoi 03:34, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit]

{help me}

[edit] Done

Ok, I cited a source. Hope that ended the conflict. P.S. - keep an eye out for Rovrom, the famous Armenian vandal. Look here, he just vandalized the page as Test56 (talk · contribs). —Khoikhoi 05:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't see anything on the guy. I did leae the famous guy......a msg. 72.57.230.179

Ooops, I spelled it wrong. It's User:Rovoam. But don't send him a message there. Try User talk:Test56. Also, no personal attacks please, no matter how frustrated you feel. Thanks. —Khoikhoi 05:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

This comment is pointless because he is banned until 2026! :p Try User talk:Test56. —Khoikhoi 05:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on Azerbaijani people. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing. --Telex 11:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

You know why becuase you are the same user last time that engaged me in conflict as a proxy for user:Grandmaster. The admini is aware of this too. So decease and stop trying to intimdate me when I had a legitmate edit and a question. 72.57.230.179

Dude, chill out, anonymous user. Posting a bunch of nationalistic stuff on a WikiProject page is one way to make sure no one is going to bother to read it. Chill please. -- Bobak 15:11, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked

Hi, you've been blocked for violating the WP:3RR on Azerbaijani people. If you feel that this block has been unjust, please post here reasons, I will be watching your talk page. Alternatively feel free to contact another administrator. Thanks :) - FrancisTyers 12:06, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Please look at the history of the edits. I spent a long time establish the facts. But this users are gaming the system. Please look at both their talk pages. I was about to approach an admin, They take turns reverting. They did this the other day.. An admin had warned user:Grandmaster. I engaged him in diologue. I even respected his wishes to the fullest, but I have established the verification for my edits. Please look at the talk page and you will see that I should not be blocked. 72.57.230.179

I even suspect that this might be the same user with two accounts. User:Grandmaster goes and gangs up on others to win numerically when other users use facts.72.57.230.179

Look at User talk:Khoikhoi/Archive 9. You will even see this user tried to recruit others and win through shear numbers even read my statment. I have been patient and I still am. I engage in diologue and verification. 72.57.230.179

Grandmaster has even attmepted to deomize me on the talk pages and both have compared me to the Nazis. This wrong. I await your reply. 72.57.230.179

Please provide diffs for your accusations. Regarding the Azerbaijani people page, my initial recommendation would be to stop edit warring in the lead and create a section of the article describing the naming dispute in detail. - FrancisTyers 12:21, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Look at his beaviour this is just one [[1]]

Look at how he tried to change the conversation[[2]] This is highly manipulative behviour that seeks to win debates. I am not here to debate [[3]]

Does Britannica satisfy your needs? --Telex 12:30, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Firstly Britaniic is generic. The ethnic strain is not dominate an I have given scientific data tthat specilizes in the studies compared to a generic resource.That is just it Granmaster tried to use Britanica. If you read the talk page. It does not exluce the fact that Azaris are Iranian. It emphasis a Turkic-speaking people. Are the French emphasized as a French-speaking people? No. Look I ansered every argument he had he exusted his debate and started trying to change the subject to language which I never objected it. 72.57.230.179

I already explained you that Turkic-speaking people (those who speak it as a native tongue) are Turkic people. I quoted Britannica:

Turkic peoples

Any of various peoples who speak one of the Turkic languages. [4]

I also proposed a compromise, which you did not want to discuss on the talk page. Grandmaster 12:49, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Britannica uses the term "Azeris". --Telex 12:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Look here is uses that term which was used due to the Soviet Union and the Republic. There are provinces in Iran which use Azarbaijan and you know why becuase that is what they call themselves. Look at how many direct Azari cites I cited form Azaris themselves. Britaniica is not the start and end of all things. I am an Azari myself. 72.57.230.179

You appear to be very incivil in those diffs, where is your unbiased source that states that Azeris are an Iranian people? I don't see any personal attacks or incivility on the part of Grandmaster. - FrancisTyers 12:41, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

You don't see the games he is playing??? Go look at all the other pages. I provided sources for Azaris themselves. How is that biased? If it was from non-Azaris it could be argued as biased but the whole point was to prove that is the term we call ourselvves, but user;Grandmaster who has a history of pushing political propganda incests on obstructing the article from being fixed. 72.57.230.179

How can you even call the author a racist who is an Azari himself and helped negotiate for Azarbaijan in Western Europe when it became independent? He is an authority on the figure and you are grandstanding? 72.57.230.179

Did you even read this page you linked to? - FrancisTyers 12:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Richard McCulloch is an author and advocate for racial preservationism. He sees the Nordish race as particularly endangered and proposes racial separatism. I never said I agree with his "preservationism views. I only used his list which is one of the standard ones used by anthropologists. Additionally there is not such thing as a pure race. That is the first thing you learn in Anthropology. I thought you were talking about the one who talked about the evolution of the present perspectives on Azaris. Look I verified everything, but this usr:Grandmaster wriggles and huffs and puffs. Sure he is all sweet to you, but when you read the full discussion you see the discourse. His behaviour is counter-productive. I verified and I am allowed to edit, bu t in each step he wants more specification. Lets saya say Washingston D.C. is the capital of the USA. He wants me to verify a source saying Washington is a city, a political centre and so on. I have established facts and he has a history of edit warring. I am also offended by his claims as an ethnic Azari, but I have been civil and followed the guidelines. 72.57.230.179

Did you look at the numerous examples before that???72.57.230.179

I'm willing to unblock you now if you agree to refrain from editing the article until consensus has been reached on the talk page. Blocking is preventative not punative. Are you prepared to accept this. If you do edit the article after being unblocked, I will block you again for the remaining 24 hours. - FrancisTyers 13:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

It should be a just and neutral consensus. SO far. user:Grandmaster has monopolized the article. Look at the pictures for so long even before he their was complaints because of improper repesentation. Azaris from Iran are 75-80% of the world's Azari's but our pcitures get deleted without explanation. They place the pictures of individuals from the Republic of Azarbaijan who are not well known. I have tried my best to be orderly and I will continue to do so, but look at the unfair twist that user:Grandmaster are placed on the article. It needs arbitartration. Even worst this has overlapped into other articles. He has been involved in edit wars on Iranian peoples. Consensus does not mean user:Grandmaster dicttes everything, which is what he does or that he has an absolute veto. I am an Azari and although I never ever have used this fact to make me an authority on the subject I can honestly tell you that he is being untruthful. When someon like him claims that the term Azari is not existant and that he has also travelled to Iran it is of the same similiatude as saying I visited the U.S. and the official language is not English. We will need third party involvment and also someone to keep an eye out. I have already provided a wealth of knowledge and fact on the subject as well that is being overlooked. He claims there is a Turkic race and then that there is no race and then that Azaris are Turkic due to genetics and then when proven wrong he claims they are Turkic due to language. He obvioulsy does not want to compromise. 72.57.230.179

Ok, take it to the mediation cabal when your block has expired. - FrancisTyers 14:00, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I assume you read the talk page. WHen I establissh facts user:Grandmaster totally changes the subject onto a 'fixed constant' that if anyone denies or refutes they will immediatley lose credit over. Then when I ask for verifications on race they compare to Nazism. This is a bad precednet. I also think this block is not fair becuase I have been rational and cooperative. They delibertly reverted in twos so that i would get blocked. It was a strtegic move that an Admin worned them on. Everytime someone tried to deal with user:Grandmaster he tries to collect a possie. This sort of behaviour is harmful for the community. 72.57.230.179

For what its worth, your attacks on Grandmaster are hardly civil, and if you continue them after your block expires, you will be reblocked. This also applies to your spamming other user's pages in an attempt to influence your debate, which is patently unacceptable. --InShaneee 16:42, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chill please

Dude, chill out, anonymous user. Posting a bunch of nationalistic stuff on a WikiProject page for those who are expanding the vast range of topics involving Azerbaijan is one way to make sure no one is going to bother to read it. Chill please. -- Bobak 15:13, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

it is funny becuase I beleive the exact opoosite I beleive that certain individuals are pushing their nationalistic propganda. All I want are accurate and fair articles. People come here to read and learn. Why should the verified facts I present to readers be a problem. People arlso have the choice to read. The point is I am relaxed by the false information and misleading wording is not factual and I mean to correct it. 72.57.230.179

[edit] Userbox

I'm not that good at making userboxes, you might want to make it based off this:

Thanks!!!! 72.57.230.179

[edit] Spam

"Please do not feed the troll"

user:Grandmaster you are a troll.

Hi. Please stop spamming talk pages. If you want to provide people with any information, it is enough to quote a relevant paragraph and leave a link to the website you took it from. Also, I suggest you check what a reliable source is. Iranian sources with strong biased views cannot be considered a reliable source. Try providing info from neutral authoritative sources. Also, if you add to the page of Wikipedia:WikiProject Azeri the userbox that says This user supports the reunification of the Republic of Azarbaijan with Iran, which calls for occupation of the Republic of Azerbaijan by Iran, I will file a formal complaint about your behavior. Such userboxes are against the Wiki rules, and adding it to AzeriWikiproject page is not appropriate. Regards, Grandmaster 04:40, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I have a right to add that and it does not call for an occupation that is just your POV. File the formal complaint and cool heads will prevail. I would also like to point out you have a history of deleting other peoples contributions and legitmate comments on the talk page and I will point this out. I suggest you take a look at the rules. As an "Azari" I have the right to express myself. Now we are talking about expression and you are not allowed to threaten me on breaching any civil conduct when it comes to expression. 72.57.230.179

You can keep your userbox on your personal page if you like it, but repeatedly adding it to the Azeri Wikiproject page is only intended to spark controversy. You can’t add to the Wikiproject page any userboxes that are not endorsed by other members. Grandmaster 11:39, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually I asked about so stop making things up. i am a memeber and it is going on the page. So stop trying to give me your stories. It is going on the Azari Wikiproject page where it belongs. See user;grandmaster if you look at this whole discourse of\r if any other user does they will see how artifical this debate is on your part. There is nothing you can do about freedom of epression of view for a page not related to article edits. You have o right to threaten anyone either. I suggest you start accomadating different and equlally valid perspectives in non-academic fields. I am warning you for the second time if you delete the contribution it will be desruption and vandalism. You can go complain, but you may not delete. 72.57.230.179

Actually, your userbox is irrelevant to the Azeri Wikiproject. The only templates that go there are the templates that say "this user is a member of this project". If that userbox of yours was a template, I'd request its speedy deletion under CSD T1 and CSD T2 on the grounds that it is unnecessarily inflammatory. --Telex 12:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually if you know anything on the subject you would not even make such an absurd and obviously biased announcment. It is obvious that you are acting as a proxy for user:Grandmaster and the administrators will become aware of this when the review your talk and edit history. 72.57.230.179

[edit] "Userbox"

Hi, please stop repeatedly adding a userbox without consensus onto a WikiProject page. You are one revert away from violating the WP:3RR. Please discuss on the talk page before making any controversial changes. Thanks :) - FrancisTyers 12:32, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Already violated. Grandmaster 12:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Consensus for who. Read my user page. I am a member of that page and I want that user box there. They have a userbox that only one person uses on it!!! Look at the lame excuses he gave me. Look at the discussion between user:Grandmaster and Telex. I am sorry, but I want to deal with another administrator. DSo not take this the wrong way, but you are a little to cushy with these two users. They can not silence dissending voices. And when it comes to a project page it is a whole new ball game. I can even prove that user:Grandmaster is insincer and gaming the system and manipulating the administration. Also please warn user:Grandmaster about his threats. 72.57.230.179

Please feel free to contact another administrator. See Wikipedia:Administrators. - FrancisTyers 12:42, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I have and I am waiting on them. This is not right at all and this is what results in anomisity in the community and the degrading of articles. No one owns an article or a project page. WHat I did was not insensitve or illicit. I have been open minded, but when the other party obviously and manifestly wanrts to create a wall when it comes to diologue or consensus or deliberatly poisons any attempts there has to be mediation. 72.57.230.179

The above users are right. As per WP:OWN, you cannot simply do things because you want them done on project pages. If you want the userbox there, you must discuss it on the talk page and see what the other members of the project think of it. And once again, don't make incivil comments as you have above. --InShaneee 20:15, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR Violation

You have been blocked for 24 hours for violating the WP:3RR on Wikipedia:WikiProject Azeri. The usual terms and conditions apply. (see above). - FrancisTyers 12:46, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

This is way after the fact and I hope that User:Grandmaster recieves the same for his violation which is documented. 72.57.230.179

It would be highly unfair if I was just singled; besides the obvious fact he instigated all this. 72.57.230.179

Where did he violate it? --Telex 12:52, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I'm not an Admin

Hi, unfortunately I am unable to help you since I am not an admin. However, I referred you to a good friend of mine and he'll take a look at your disputes. Cheers. --MarshallBagramyan 15:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Azaris are ethnic Iranians"

In response to your comment on my talk page: What is an Iranian other than a nationality? I am Persian, the ethnicity. My family's been Persian for generations, and I have never set foot in the country called Iran and I was born before Islamic Republic was established. Like many of the long-settled Persians in the West (2nd and 3rd generation), I don't consider myself Iranian. "Iranian" is just a place to be a citizen, like the US and Canada. The historical development of Azeris is no different than Palestinians or Kurds. They were historically weaker (politically) and were thus put under the spheres of much stronger countries, Russia/USSR and Persia/Iran. If anything, they're more Turkic than Aryan. That's my position and it will not sway. -- Bobak 16:16, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Do you know who one of the chief ancsestos of the Azaris are? The Mede. Iranian is not just a citizenship is is a ethnic family just like s\SLavic. I think you think I mean Persian when I say Iranian. Kurds, Azaris, Ossetians, Persians, Pashtons are all Iranians. Two of the listed people are not even found within the country of Iran and thus not even citizens. I want the facts known instead of repressed and delted by con artists spreading a party line. I am outraged as an Azari. You must know enough to know that it is prounced as Azari not Azeri. In fact the majority say Azari. On a whole different level user:Grandmaster says the term Azari is non-existant and he has never heard it before. He will not even allow me to right a statement that there are two perpsectives on the Azari entity. The Azaris of Iranian mostly view themselves as Iranians while in the Republic of Azarbaijan they view themselves as Turkic. Is that not a fair statement. He does everything in his power to repress even known views and pretend they are non-existant and proliferates the iidea that Azaris in Iran are discriminated against becuase of their ethnic identity or are seoeratists dying to be liberated from the cruel Persians. This is not right and he 100% has no right to delete peoples contributions or presentations on discussion pages and I am ot talking about myself. I am talking about other editors. 72.57.230.179

Just so you know, if you continue with this smear campaign against other editors once your 3rr block expires, I will reblock you for disruption. This is an encyclopedia, and it is difficult for anyone to get anything done while having to deal with your constant threats and accusations, which as your contributions page shows is all you have been doing for essentially all of your time here. --InShaneee 04:01, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

You're mistaken. You do not have such a right to 'defend yourself', especially when it means being incivil, such as calling him a troll as you just did. Consider this your last warning. --InShaneee 21:19, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Look at one example of what user:Grandmaster is posting about me. Please do something. This is also a form of trolling. [5]

I am still waiting for you to be fair and enforce the rules and regulations. I have not even seen one warning to user:Grandmaster for trolling! 72.57.230.179

[edit] Image

Are you sure Googoosh is an ethnic Azeri? The article says she was Persian. How about a poet or leader a bit more famous that you can think of? —Khoikhoi 21:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

The article is wrong both her parents even come from Baku 72.57.230.179

I looked at the article. It even say from Azarbaijan, but it is wrong. Plus we have a major problem were the word Persian and Iranian are being substituted for one another, a lot of the edits wars and misconsiptions on ethnicity are due to this. It is like substituting English and British or Russian and SOviet. She is not a Persian.

Googoosh was born Faegheh Atashin in 1951 on Sarcheshmeh Street, in an old and worn down part of Tehran, to Azerbaijani immigrant parents from the former Soviet Union. When she was two, they separated. Because of her father's profession - he was an acrobat and an entertainer - she grew accustomed to the stage early on, and was part of his act until she was three. She began doing impersonations of some of the singers of the time. When her father discovered this talent, he put her on stage. She has been on stage as a paid professional since she was three.

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Well, also because back when she was born it wasn't called Iran, as you know. So "Persian" was a nationality. Anyways, I can't make the image right now. I'll try to do it sometime. بدرود. —Khoikhoi 22:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Good job, Khoikhoi. Keep the picture as is. I really appreciate it. Although I thinkyou should really objective examine your categorization of Azaris. Have you noticed how there are no citation for any of the evidence saying Azaris are Turkic? Although there is a strong wave of evidence and verification of the Iranian characteristics and ethnicity of Azaris. Language does not institute an ethnic group in its self. Anyways I appreciate the picture and should not be changed.

Your welcome. In regards to the Azaris being a Turkic people, Encyclopædia Britannica, which is pretty much the #1 encyclopedia out there, says the following:

[6] Azerbaijani - any member of a Turkic people living chiefly in the Republic of Azerbaijan and in the region of Azerbaijan in northwestern Iran. At the turn of the 21st century there were some 7,500,000 Azerbaijani in the republic and neighbouring areas and more than 15,000,000 in Iran. They are mainly sedentary farmers and herders, although some of those in the republic have found employment in various... (ends there)

Anyways, no problem. I know it's disputed which is why I'm not going to push either view. Ciao. —Khoikhoi 01:10, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

See the thiing is that it is generic. FOr example we both and agree that all peoples in the region or eclectic or simply mixed. The definition does not state this although it is true. The relevancy of staiting this arguable, but if it is done for Kurds and Persians it should apply to Azaris. The second point is how are Azaris Turkix peoples? This is an academic and critical question? I mean to what extent. I they classified as Turkic because of language or self-identity? You catch my drift. As far as verifications goes the Iranian camp has been verified and has even surpased my expextations, but the Turkic camp keeps on repeating the same line like a broken record, "they speak a Turkic tongue so they are therefore Turkic." I beg to differe that is not the full story if language was the defining force for language most the people on Wikipedia would be Anglo-Saxons. What bothers me is the deliberate tactic used by editors on this cite that game the system and the expectation that we all live by an acadmic honour system. This way of editing is central to the plurality of WIkipedia, but the system of liberaly rationalizing all individuals as moral and rational is double-edged sword...there are those who use this cite as a forum to indulge their lower senses. I am neither a nationalist or ethnocentric as user:Grandmaster has tried to demonize me, but I do see past the polite comments and assertions of cooperations. Actions or in this case edits speak louder than words. Edits say it all and the methodology of editing and the navigation of both discussions and content. I see through this not through instinct or a phenominal sense, but through analytical skill. Were not the prescriptions on users:Diyako and user:Acuman correct in the past? User:Grandmaster falls in this field of editors and the end game will unfold for becuase on WIkipedia we all leave fingerprints or a cyber trail. Our thoughts, and our edits are almost all manifest. YOu refered to me by another name, correct or not, I ask you was this because of a sense or due to rational deduction and anaysis? Answer the question for yourself. Race and ethnicit is a Pandoras Box which I would like to think in the grand scheme of things was made to test us. God tests us through these differences. Diversity is a curse and a blessing. User:Grandmaster is not my enemy he is his own enemy and hurst himself the most by pretending to hear or see. His tactic of always deliberatly changing focus and disrupting conversations with distracting statemnts that are deliberatly written to shatter the discussion process progress are shameful. He has this line he always drops, "are we talking about or ethnicity?" This is pretty insincer and only has the aim of disorganizing the discussion even when he knows that the focus is ethnicity. Besided that keep up the good work. Until the next edit remember that all of us are real people on the outside. 72.57.230.179

Thanks for the long response. As you can see from the Iranian peoples article, they are primarily defined by their usage of the Iranian languages in addition to other factors. Anyways, I'm too tried to discuss things right now. I did like reading your comment however. If you stay this calm all of the time, then you won't get blocked again. —Khoikhoi 03:34, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Khoikhoi;

"... The name “Azerbaijan” for the Republic of Azerbaijan (Soviet Azerbaijan) was selected on the assumption that the stationing of such as republic would lead to that entity Iranian to become one…this is the reason why the name “Azerbaijan” was selected (for Arran)…anytime when it is necessary to select a name that refers to the territory of the Republic of Azerbaijan, we should/can select the name Arran ..." - Quote from Bartold, Soviet academic, politician and foreign office official. See Bartold, V.V., Sochineniia, Tom II, Chast I, Izdatelstvo Vostochnoi Literary, p.217, 1963.

"... Albania (present Republic of Azerbaijan) is different from Azerbaijan (the original Azerbaijan in Iran) ..." - Azeri-Turkish scholar Ramazani, in Blucher, W.V., Zeitenwende, Persian Translation: Safar-nameh-e-Blucher, Tehran, Khwarami, 1984, p.115

Therefore esablishing the fact that (Iranian) Azarbaijan is in historical fact 'Azarbaijan proper' we can safely realize that there is no south or north Azarbaijan. Any referance is informal venacular terminology and terminal 'ad libb'. This is not original research either, but transparent use of information and verification. If I have documantation verifying that SUBJECT is RED and user:X says/claims/edits that SUBJECT is BLUE (which is falicous) and even possibly finds on a more complicated scenerio or basis non-neutral or non-acadmic verification saying SUBJECT is BLUE it does not mean SUBJECT is BLUE. Then user:X demands I find verification saying SUBJECT is NOT BLUE. This DEMANDINGOTHER EDITORS PROVE A NEGATIVE, WHICH IS NOT AN ACADMIC PROCESS AND NON-SCIENTIFIC IN NATURE. HOw can editors prove SUBJECT IS NOT BLUE OR SUBJECT IS NOT YELLOW? When all acticles say SUBJECT is RED and would never even talk about other colours becuase simple SUBJECT IS RED. These PROBLEMS are compounded becuase user:Grandmaster has a bad habbit of asking other editors to prove a NEGATIVE. What is there to say/verify that SUBJECT is NOT BLUE. It is as if I claimed Japanese were Iranian/Iranic and I said they have to be becuase there is no verification saying they are not Iranian! This is a generic problem not just for ethnic articles but for all WIkipedia that must be reviewed, analyzed, a addressed, and remedied by us all through the stipulation of certain regulations that are broadly accepted and easy to understand and follow.

Please post this on the Talk:Iranian Azarbaijan since I have been unfairly blocked through the manipulation of user:Grandmaster 72.57.230.179

[edit] Blocked for 1 week for trolling

I have blocked you for continuing your incessant smear campaign against Grandmaster. This is an encyclopedia; policy states that you discuss article content, not users. Yet a look at your contributions over the past week shows that you attack Grandmaster in just about every single edit you've made. This is unacceptable, and not the first time you've been blocked for this type of trolling. --InShaneee 20:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

You might want to do something about this message[7] left right after I left one[8]. How come these standards do not apply to user:Grandmaster. Do you want more examples of were he is making slanderous comments about me? I expect you to act. 72.57.230.179

I'm not sure what those comments were in reference to, but at most I'd give him a warning. He has by and large been civil in putting up with your constant attacks, and has made no 'slanderous' comments. When your block expires, do NOT continue to make comments about other users; simply discuss article content on its own merits. --InShaneee 02:59, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Look at one example of what user:Grandmaster is posting about me. Please do something. This is also a form of trolling. [9]

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[edit] eshkali yokhteh

I wouldnt be too worried about it. The Azari element in Iran is too strong for these mercenaries to try to agitate secessionism. If youve been to Iran, then you know how powerful and involved the Azeris are in Iran. Half of Tehran is practically Azeri. Its their home.

These malicious intentions will always remain what they are: only intentions. Nothing more.

Be cool.--Zereshk 03:33, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I just notice it is the same people antagonizing. The user asking the question is forming a pattern I have noticed. 72.57.230.179

[edit] Spamming yet again

Regarding edits such as this: You have been temporarily blocked for spamming. Again. --InShaneee 04:27, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I read up on the policy and I have not been Trolling!

That is a totally illicit block. I want to know one what grounds I was blocked. We are going to have some serious problems now. SPamming??? I want these users to keep an eye on a page. WHat is wrong with that? I even asked you and another admin. You have clearly made a mistake. 72.57.230.179

This could not possibly be a more clear cut case of spam. You have never made a single worthwhile contribution to this wiki, and if you violate policy one more time, you will be indefinatly blocked. --InShaneee 04:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

How dare you judge my contributions and hardwork. That is purly uncivil on top of your terrible judgment and rude behaviour towards other users. That is it you are definitly going to be revoked as an admin. I just made a good edit that user:Grandmaster deleted, which took weeks of work to comrpomise on. I will not be blocked and in fact I will be unblocked adn you will not be able to block anyone again for your abuse of power. 72.57.230.179

You've already been blocked if you hadn't noticed, and I'm already considering extending it. If you're not spamming, you're revert warring, and if you're not revert warring, you're stalking and harrassing other users. You've shown and are showing now that you have no respect for policy or other users, and no desire to make helpful contributions. --InShaneee 04:49, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

That is totally untrue and when I prove it is untrue to you, you shrug and turn the other way. I have been through your history and do you know how many other users have made these complaints. ALso you never address issues. Now you are trying to switch the subject. These block was defenitly illicit and you were and being very uncivil and you have been warned about this. You have blocked me for trolling. How could I be when I even asked you to protect the article. You have been unfair and turned the otherway when user:Grandmaster has been trolling, threatening me, and so on. I rovided numerous verifications for you. There is no excuse and when this matter is taken to the proper body they will decide your fate. Now you are trying to justify yourself by changing the subject instead of admitting you made a mistake. You are showing contempt for policy bying continuously being uncivil and abusing your powers. This is a lack of respect or understanding for the role of an admin. 72.57.230.179

I made no mistake, and you're only proving me right by your continued inability to write more than a few sentences without taking a potshot at Grandmaster. --InShaneee 05:02, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Baku87 has vandalized the Azari people page

The picture was suppose to be of an Azaari from Iran. He knows that and so does user:Grandmaster who watches the page like a hawk. They are disfiguring the page. Anyone who reads this please stop their campaign of propganda and misinformation

[edit]

Hi. Saw you had placed {{helpme}} here, how may I be of assistance? Bjelleklang - talk 22:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I have firsly been blocked unfairly and I need advocation and secondly the articles I have worked hard to protect are being systematically disfigured and there is evidence of foul play and gaming. I must also admit that I am at fault in the engagment of diolgue at certain points, but it is come to the point were I am blocked unfairly and without just cause. This of course is argumental, but my main priority is the protection of those articles and fair editing by al sides. 72.57.230.179

In that case, you should place the template {{Unblock}} on your page, with the reason for why so an admin can get involved in the situation. Bjelleklang - talk 00:21, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. I still want advocation. How do I go about doing that?

[edit] Intervention

{{Unblock}}

User:InShaneee has blocked you for trolling, and I see that this is not your offense. I'm afraid there's nothing I can do here. AmiDaniel (talk) 05:18, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I was wrongly blocked, please check. I need intervention. I am not saying I am an angel but this is grossly unfair. 72.57.230.179

[edit] Intervention

I need someone to review my case; there is more than meets the eye. The history of this debate needs to be looked at.

72.57.230.179

What particular do you think would need looking at? Please note there is generally no excuse for bad behaviour, certainly not a retalirory actions. --pgk^(talk) 06:52, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal attacks

Your recent comment[10] might be construed as a personal attack. Personal attacks aren't allowed on wikipedia. Don't make them. Thanks.Timothy Usher 05:40, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Are you saying I attacked this user. I have no intention of talking to him. I wanted to point out his conversation. I merely reported his behaviour. Wow you are really wiki-talking Zereshk too! 72.57.230.179

Timothy Usher, please learn to not jump to conclusions or make ungrounded claims and accusations. ALso please apologize to user:Zereshk for you disgusting and uncivil behaviour in regards to him. You have claimed he is anti-Semetic, how do you justify these unwarnted claims and personal attacks now that you have engaged me????? 72.57.230.179

This is your only warning: Comments like this are personal attacks and will not be tolerated. One more incivil comment and you will be blocked again. And for the record, my public junior high and high school both taught Spanish, French, and German. I live in Illinois. --InShaneee 17:00, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Firstly those were classes offered and were not the public schools language; your saying your math class was taught in German? We are talking about CORE language. So you want to rub comments in my face? I think as an ADMIN you are wallking a thin line InShaneee! 72.57.230.179

Regarding this edit and pretty much most of the rest of your recent edits: you have now been blocked for one week for trolling. You keep insulting other user, spamming people talk pages, angerly reverting multiple articles, and in general taking a 'us-vs-them' stance in every debate you insert yourself into. You're not helping this site any and you're certainly not working with the community. --InShaneee 03:27, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

user:Grandmasterbroke the 3RR on Azari article...do your job! 72.57.230.179

I am...hence why you're blocked now. --InShaneee 22:09, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay InShaneee I think you and me need to have a one-on-one, here. What is your problem? I have not made personal attacks or vandalized or any of that. I have always tried to protect articles or stop false edits. Why do I always get blocked for trying to do the right thing? 72.57.230.179

user:Timothy Usher once again meddled in my page, but he know it was wrong so delted his comments as shown here[11] 72.57.230.179 07:39, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help

What do I do about this message above. I never even attacked that user. The above user and the other one have been out to get user:Zereshk too. 72.57.230.179

[edit] User: InShanee is acting incivility; his comments were not neutral at all

I am sick and tired of this administrators lack of respect, neglegence, and lack of civil behaviour. Just look at his track record.

And that is an unWP:CIVIL statement ... WP:BEANS. You must give respect to get it. If you have an issue, take it to WP:Mediation, Alerting more people on helpme patroal will not help your situation. ∞Wirelain 23:14, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Point is; IF there is a breach in the WP:COC then deal with it at that level, moaning is ~not~ the answer. ∞Wirelain 23:22, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of things to be DOne for Azari-related articles

• Place the Name Azarbaijan next Azerbaijan as an alternative in all articles

• Clean the Shah Ismail article, remove the term Turk, make sure it says he was born in Iran and not Iranian Azarbaijan...Iranian Azarbaijan can also be included in the article

• Remove the picture of the chess player, Teimour Radjabov, in the Azari page and put Shiren E.

[edit] Aggresive Talk With USer:InShaneee

Just in case you weren't aware, if doing these things goes against the page's consensus, you're still in violation of policy. --InShaneee 12:26, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

just so you are aware you are being uncivil and led on by user:Grandmaster. He is very sneaky!

what is this suppose [[12]] to

mean? These are the same comments written on the talk page for the article. He is totally twisting words and I have a total right to point it out. IF YOU READ THE TALK PAGES AND ACTUALLY DID YOUR JOB, UNLIKE THE HALF-ASS APPROACH YOU TAKE NOW, YOU WOULD SEE THAT HE IS THE PROBLEM.GO READ THE TALK PAGE AND SEE HOW HE AGREES TO CONSENSUS THEN EDITS, HE EDITS WITHOUT DISCUSSION, LIES, ETC.

What it means is that he's concerned that you're going to keep flagrantly bucking policy the second your block expires, which I'm concerned about as well, and your above statement does nothing to assuage those fears. If I keep seeing threatening behavior like this while you're blocked, I'm inclined to extend it for a very long time. --InShaneee 23:30, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Do not threaten me; what you are doing is trying to legitmize your mistakes and tone of aggression. What is there to say what I have written on my own pag is bad, especially in light of relevant edits. Take a look at user:Grandmaster [13] who is actually the antagonist behind the edit war. "Find ways of saying!" This means in diplomatic tone; deny or doctor information and POV. 72.57.230.179

I'm getting really tired of having to tell you to assume good faith. This is still an encyclopedia; he's talking about writing an article, you're talking about waging war against another contributor. You continue to show no signs of even wanting to be a useful contributor. --InShaneee 02:01, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inshanneee Should not be an Administrator

I am getting tired of your ignorance. You have never even braught up good faith with me! How could you make an untrue statment? HOw come I am not granted the good faith that you lecture me about? This good faith you are talking about is not equally applied to me by yourself or him. I was also listing changes in writting an article. You are saying two different things. I never talked about waging any war?! Say something rational. You continue to make threats, accusations, and act uncivility towards me such and other editors. Exactly this is an encyclopidia and people should not try and add their POV. I have worked very hard for my edits and your ridicule and belittle them and make personal attacks. Administrators should also not be taking sides too as you were warned in the past on your talk page.[14] . 72.57.230.179

May I point this out to you: you have a history of stubbornly not admitting your mistakes, being aggresive in tone, civil, abusing your powers as an administrator, and refusing to live up to your responsabilities:

Here is one of many editors complaints on line 923, which also verifies that you also did not read the talk pages when judging the situation [15]

Your personal attack and show of negative involvement/behaviour by someone (an administrator who is suppose to be neutral) [16]

Here again you have wrongly made bad judgment and make it worst by becoming aggressive with the editor in question [17] who you also had a bone to pick with because he explained policy to you in the past (since you are incompetent in enforcing it) [18]

Here you offend another user by calling their work nonsense. Where is your civility and good faith? [19]

Here you are being told that you have abused your powers as an administrator in regards to a whole group of editors demanding an apology [20] User:GorillazFanAdam was also civil with you, but your behaviour was not civil becuase you do not accept the fact that you make mistakes and bad calls. This is very unhealth for editors and especially an Administrator that is suppose to show maturity and restraint. You also demonstrate that you hold grudges with various editors and continue to monitor them in an unhealthy way. User:Master of Puppets can also verify that you have given un-called for warnings and threats to User:GorillazFanAdam. As can be read on his talk page after your threats and aggresive behaviour he beleives you held a grouge against him and have victimized him [21]

This one demonstrates you have a history of picking on the same editor, who has a history of good behaviour, but it seems clear you have a bone to pick with him with the repeated antagonistic behaviour towards him. [22] [23]

Here you have yet another user pointing out your aggressive and careless behaviour [24]

This is another upset editor who says you are not fit to be an administrator. This conversation including this users: talk page prove you are a really irresponsible administrator. You even attack him for bringing things to your attention. THIS EDITOR, user:Manik666 REALLY EXPOSES THE MULTIPLE REASON WHY YOU SHOULD NOT BE AN ADMINSTRATOR IN HIS DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU. [25] *I really advise reading this users talk page you transparently and overtly attack him and also say he is a bad contributer becuase he illustrates that you are refusing to do your job as an administrator.* He was merely pointing out the vandalism of a notoriously known vandal who you out of anger and stubborness even decided to let by with his behaviour and vandalism.

After user:Lutheran and you had some hostility [26] you started targeting him as this chain of events shows. Here you have been uncivil and crossed your boundaries by warning other editors for association. [27]

Here is more complaints of abuse of powers [28]

More proof that you do not bother reading peoples writing from an editor complaining [29]

And there is even more and more complaints of uncivil behaviour and abuse of powers …..

I'm extending your block to one month for further trolling while blocked. --InShaneee 20:39, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Antogonistic Behaviour By USer:Grandmaster Not being Halted by User:InShaneee

Also user:Grandmaster is obviously Trolling as he has left a message on page deliberatly to antagonize me and as is evident now he continously looks at my page. [30] As he has openly done so in the past. Take a look after a welcome a new user he deliberly insults me by indirectly calling me a troll [31]. Inshaneee has taken a one sided stand and allowed his vandalism to continue. He continues to paste this on my user page [32]

He continues to post on my page! What for, except to create tension. [33]

Further evidence that user:Grandmaster is acting as an antagonist [34].

[edit] Sorry, but Help Me

Look at the section title:Inshanneee Should not be an Administrator. He really should not be an Administrator. WHat do I do about him, now? {{helpme}} Is for help with simple editing problems. If you find yourself in dispute with someone please look to dispute resolution. Thanks --pgk^(talk) 07:26, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I can't this administrator has blcoked me. I have a problem with him. He allows attacks to go against me to. I have been blocked: can you bring my post to anyones attention?

I warned you about continually adding attention-grabbing templates. I know perfectly well you read my warning, because you took the trouble to delete it at least twice. I'm protecting this page until your block expires. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 08:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I like the Reunification of Iran and Azarbaijan concept

Nice job. I actually got linked to your page looking through the history of another editor. I also want to let you know he, user:Grandmaster, who it is pbvious you know from your talk page has faked your signature on his talk page as shown here [[35]], next to my warnings to him for uncivil conduct. I thought you would want to know thaat he is forging your signature. 69.196.164.190

By the way someone else even noticed that your signature was forged by GM in violation to WIki-policy as shown here; [[36]] 69.196.164.190

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