Talk:35-hour workweek

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Contents 1 The City of New York 2 Criticism 3 Revoked 4 Editorial and POV 5 Source says otherwise 6 Removed content

[edit] The City of New York

New York City civil servants also have a 35 hour workweek and it was established before 2000. Maybe there other municipalities around the world that might have established something similar, but regardless France is not the only place.

Coming soon: Much of this material, I've realized, doesn't have anything to do with the 35-hour workweek (French or otherwise) per se, so much as the workweek in general. I'll move it to workweek, where it will be more appropriate, some time today. Mike Church 11:15, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism

I changed "left-wing" and "right-wing" in the criticism section to "liberal" and "conservative" to depict the parties with accurate verbiage rather than use inflamatory labels.

Except that liberal means different things in different parts of the world. In the US, liberal might mean left-wing whereas in France, liberal means the economic liberalism typical of the US therefore is more associated with righ-wing politics. As such it is not a useful label. Are left- and right-wing really inflammatory? (Ajkgordon 08:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Revoked

Wasn't it officially revoked some months ago? -- 80.58.3.237 13:57, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The law is becoming gradually emptied of its contents. That is, the official duration of the workweek is 35 hours, but exceptions of all sorts are added. David.Monniaux 06:37, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

So when did the government realize that they had made such a big mistake, and were they forced to 'dismantle' it? Surely it was damaging to the economy from the very beginning - and was the failure not predicted? The Missing Piece 17:48, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Editorial and POV

I removed the following:

Other professionals who work for international companies or over the Internet complain that the 35-hour workweek hamstrings their productivity and puts them at a distinct disadvantage compared to their counterparts in countries that do not have such policies.

This is:

• Unsourced — where were those complaints reported?
• Vague — which professionals? How many are they?

And it frankly looks like something lifted from UMP political campaigning, or from an American newspaper (on topics of French economic policy, US newspapers typically align themselves with the UMP). David.Monniaux 06:37, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'd invite others to be very careful and to seek authoritative sources (i.e. the texts of French laws, the explanatory summaries of the Ministry of Work) in preference to unauthoritative sources (particularly, articles in the foreign media, which are probably incompetent with respect to French law, not to mention their possible ideological bias). David.Monniaux 07:01, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

...........

The rightwingers that infest Wikipedia are really show their lack of objectivity and their blatant bias in this article. Neutral? What a joke! Hey, rightwingers (dems and gop both), the French will NEVER live like the beasts of burden Americans do. They know what is going on. I predict Franch will move to a 30 hour week within 10 years.

cryofan

[edit] Source says otherwise

This[[1]] page says that the law was introduced in January 2000, rather than Feburary 2000, as our article says. Who is correct? The Missing Piece 17:51, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed content

I rm this: "The right-wing Raffarin administration also partially blamed the deaths during the heat wave of August 2003 on the 35-hour workweek; according to them, public hospitals were inadequately staffed to handle the number of patients because of the workweek law. The opposition has charged that Raffarin simply tries to lay the blame for his shortcomings and those of health minister Jean-François Mattei on others." Not only is it unsourced, but quite unencyclopedic. Lapaz 17:35, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

After trying to translate the "history" section into proper English (not only was the thing obviously copy-pasted from fr:, but some words were not even translated), I removed it altogether. It belongs to a "history of labour laws in France" article, or something like this. Furthermore, I think that there is a strong implicit bias in starting a section with "Limitations of the workweek of children" as if the 35 hours were in direct continuation with this ; one could as well put abolition of slavery on top of the list. Rama 09:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC)