User talk:167.1.176.4

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[edit] Welsh accent

Hello there Garik, I have been listening to sound accent/voice clips on the BBC Voices 2005 study and have to say have noticed there seems to be some siliarities in the pronounciation of some words between Welsh and North-East English - inpaticular the non-Newcastle accents.

Mam is used for mother (though this is not unique), year is pronounced 'yer'. The 'O' sound in No is often often flat and long, and in general some of the vowels have similarities.

Have you heard the north-east accents? 167.1.176.4 (talk) 11:02, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I've heard people say similar – I know a couple of Northumbrians (though, as you say, not Newcastrians) who get regularly mistaken for Welsh. I've never seen anyone do a detailed comparison, though it's certainly an interesting fact. I'd assume it was simply coincidental (the way many South-east Asian accents are said to sound a bit Welsh), though I suppose arguments could be made for there being some deeper reason. Are you bringing this up in relation to a particular article by the way? garik (talk) 12:03, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello again Garik, no this wasn't really inreference to an article, i don't think i've seen any studies on the subject and would suggest no proper ones have taken place, shame though cos i bet it has entered a few peoples minds, Wiki would have us on that Original Research rule anyhow.

The north-east is a strange one as it seems to be a 'germanic' safety seat - if you know what i mean by that (think labour safety seats), people like to put the accent and vowel tones (it is a bit sing-song though i'd suggest not as much as Welsh) down to the Danes or what have you. Anyway i just wanted to know your thoughts on it. Influence from Gododdin ? 167.1.176.4 (talk) 12:37, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

It would be nice to think that it's something to do with a Brythonic substrate, but, to be honest, I'm not sure how you'd ever get the right sort of evidence to reject the null hypothesis of coincidence. What's more, I've known English-speaking Scandinavians before now who get mistaken for Welsh. I think it's just a reaction to any accent with that rising intonation. garik (talk) 17:47, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

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