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I think using the Swedish language in discussing here, will not be so popular among the other Wikipedians. /Habj 02:45, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Contents 1 Outlining the scope of the notice board 1.1 Conclusion on various section: 2 Accuracy of translations from sv Wiki 3 Thanks for the list 4 Swedish middle names 5 The virtual flora 6 Translation help for Sweden Democrats article 7 Translation from en to sv 8 Nordenskiölds 9 TfD nomination of Template:Succession Swedish monarchs 10 Request for incorporating some content 11 Sub-page for Swedish-English translations 12 Standard naming scheme 13 Request for comment on Christopher Gillberg 14 Kubb 15 Again with Scania/Skåne. 16 DYK 17 Request for comment on Talk:Swedish Anarcho-syndicalist Youth Federation 18 Swedish military industry 19 Frölunda HC - Requested move 20 Members of the Riksdag 21 Well, this is dull 22 Wikipedia:WikiProject Norse history and culture 23 Swedish language 24 Swedish language (again) 25 OT: possibly incorrect info at the sv. wiki 26 Talk:Midvinterblot 27 An Invitation from the Philippine Wikipedia Community

[edit] Outlining the scope of the notice board

Some section of the notice board have, since the notice board was started in June 2005, proved more successful than others. This likely is related to users willingness to contribute to them. As the notice board should be serve a purpose, it is probably better to focus on the sections that works and cut off the rest.

The notice board will serve its purpose best if it encourages constant contributions. So all assitance-request will be moved to a sub-page, where discussion on the articles will take place as well a section one can enter his name when finished working on it. // Fred-Chess 14:11, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Conclusion on various section:

• The request for improvement / expansion sections often require knowledgeable people to spend quite a lot of time. Nobody has also been been interested in maintaining the sections, checking if they have indeed been expanded or improved on.
• Other sections that have not been maintained includes requested translation and requested images.
• The to-do list is confusing since there are also sections with the same content. It has proven difficult to maintain both of them, adding/removing article as necessary.

// Fred-Chess 14:19, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Accuracy of translations from sv Wiki

If a member of this notice board would like to invite other members to check his translation of a Swedish article, where is the proper place to do so?

I just finished an article on the personnummer which includes not entirely universally official English translations of Swedish government bureaus. --Adamrush 14:53, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi Adamrush. I guess here is as good a place as anywhere else to ask other editors to cast their eyes over translations! I've had a quick copy edit of your translation. I'm guessing that you're referring particularly to the translation of Skatteverket? Funnily enough, a translation I've been working on today referred to Skatteverket, which I translated as the Swedish Tax Agency just as you did. http://www.skatteverket.se/ don't seem to be particularly consistent - I found both Swedish Tax Agency and Swedish National Tax Board in the English section of their site and preferred the former. CLW 17:19, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Please see the "Utrikes Namnbok ", according to which the name should be "National Tax Board". // Fred-Chess 17:56, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

You'd think the Skatteverk could read that! --Adamrush 18:02, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Please see the /Terminology subpage for that and other useful glossaries from sweden.gov.se. Bishonen | talk 18:06, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the list

Thanks, Fred, for the list of quality articles you mentioned here. That's very helpful to the WP 1.0 project, thanks, we'll probably be including those articles in WP 1.0. Walkerma 21:58, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Swedish middle names

Most articles on Swedish people include their middle names in bold. To me this seems as slightly misleading, since middle names in Sweden are largely ignored and very seldom, if ever, used to address someone. I dabbled with moving putting them after the name in italics, but someone pointed out that this could look pretty odd to non-Swedes. Any suggestions on what format would be most appropriate?

Peter ^Isotalo 19:20, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Why not just put them in the middle not using bold or italics? // Liftarn

Or it might look more natural to lay the name out as follows:

Göran Persson (born Hans Göran Persson, January 20, 1949)...

I don't think that people who don't know much or anything about Swedish names would understand the current layout at Göran Persson. I mean, even I find it odd looking, and I reckon my knowledge of things Swedish is above average for a non-Swede. CLW 09:19, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I am not really clear why Swedish middle names should be treated in any way differently from other full names. The name the person is known under is shown as article title, is it not? Adding 'born' or italics and such just makes for hard reading. Having Göran Persson as article name, and starting the article with Hans Göran Persson in IMO the simplest and clearest solution.--Sannab 10:08, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

It's fine as it is in most cases (i.e. "Hans Göran Persson" should all be bold). The name a person is known by should be clear from the title of the article, unless the person is actually better known by the full name (as Per Daniel Amadeus Atterbom, Carl Jonas Love Almqvist et al.), and the name, excluding "middle names" can also be used later in the article text to make it clear. In any case, "middle name" is not really a good term for what may come first or anywhere else in a series of names. (Additionally, mellannamn actually means something more specific in the most recent version of the Swedish law on names, but that is a recent innovation and seldom relevant for our purposes.) Uppland 10:26, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I just think it's slightly misleading to bold completely unused first names. No one ever refers to Göran Persson by anything other than "Göran Persson". Not in Sweden nor abroad. If you look him up in NE, you won't even find "Hans" in italics or non-bold like they do with August Strindberg's or Putte Wickman's additional names.

Peter ^Isotalo 13:13, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

In this case, I can't see that "Hans" is essential for the article... The current way it is written is perhaps a good alternative. /Fred-Chess 08:26, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Presumably it is part of his full name (I haven't actually checked). The way Peter has done it seems more confusing to me. The "Name (born Fuller Name)" alternative is also confusing, as it gives the misleading impression somebody intentionally changed his/her name, rather than just using it more or less the same way the whole life.

We could italicize the tilltalsnamn, as is done in some publications, but I really see no reason for it as long as the article title makes it clear how the person is known. Svenskt biografiskt lexikon uses bold for the entire name at the beginning of an entry, but only the tilltalsnamn in headers, captions and inside the article. There are some complications with Swedish names in other cases (such as medieval people with patronymics), but in this particularcase, I see no reason to depart from general Wikipedia style. Tony Blair notes his full name at the beginning of the article as Anthony Charles Lynton Blair. How is that different from Göran Persson? Uppland 08:50, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. I'd change it into Hans Göran Persson, but that would be confusing with the audio since that is of Göran Persson. / Fred-Chess 13:02, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The virtual flora

I'm confident that most Swedish biologists or botanists know about the virtual flora at Naturhistoriska riksmuseet, it's basically a flora covering anything that grows in Sweden. The question is, is translating it to Wikipedia articles a copyright violation? Will we have to ask permission first?

If so, I'd be willing to undertake the project of integrating the information into Wikipedia, anyone interested in the field is naturally welcome to help Obli (Talk)^? 17:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

A straight translation would probably be illegal. using the information from it is not. You may want to check sv:Wikipedia:Nordens flora first. // Liftarn

Seems to be about the same thing, the only thing we'll need from the virtual flora would be the English names, then. Obli (Talk)^? 19:10, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Translation help for Sweden Democrats article

I'm going to stop editing the Sweden Democrats article after receiving a death threat, but there still is a need for some translation help as much of the sources are in Swedish. // Liftarn

[edit] Translation from en to sv

I have recently created an article on the Swedish military bicycle. I needs to be translated by a competent Swedish speaker for use on the sv wikipedia. Does anybody want to step up to the plate? --Adamrush 16:06, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nordenskiölds

I recently made a surname-dab at Nordenskiöld, in preparation for my writing a stub at Nils Otto Gustaf Nordenskiöld. In the process of googling, I found a bunch of other Nordenskiöld with entries in the Svenskt biografiskt handlexikon, so I added redlinks for them. Could I ask someone to check my characterisations of the occupations of each of the entries with SBH exlinks. Thanks. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 11:59, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Succession Swedish monarchs

Template:Succession Swedish monarchs has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. (I was intending to notify User:Mic, but apparently he is gone, so I am saying this here just in case.) Ardric47 00:37, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for incorporating some content

There is a Swedish-language page on Ben oil at She net whose content I would love to see incorporated into the Ben oil page. Would a Swedish speaker be interested in taking a look? Waitak 12:00, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sub-page for Swedish-English translations

Requests for Swedish-English translations has been moved to the sub-page at Wikipedia:Translation into English/Swedish. --Ezeu 18:27, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Standard naming scheme

Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Regional notice boards#A uniform naming scheme. Zocky | picture popups 00:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for comment on Christopher Gillberg

The discussion on Christopher Gillberg has been heated. Third opinions are welcome.

Fred-Chess 19:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kubb

Could someone have a look at the Kubb article. It seems to be getting lots of unsourced additions. --Mais oui! 10:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, this would need references. I'll see what I can find. / Fred-Chess 10:36, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Ta. --Mais oui! 11:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Again with Scania/Skåne.

There was just an other undiscussed move by User:John Anderson of Skåne to Scania (region) followed by a flurry of renaming in various articles [1], some of which I have reverted for now. I think we might have to have another discussion about this at and I've started a thread to get a dialogue going.

Peter ^Isotalo 15:37, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

The DYK section featured on the main page is always looking for interesting new and recently expanded stubs from different parts of the world. Please make a suggestion.--Peta 02:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for comment on Talk:Swedish Anarcho-syndicalist Youth Federation

There is a dispute going on at the article of Syndikalistiska Ungdomsförbundet. The dispute in question is about sources, and as a Swedish organization, most sources are Swedish. I though I'd list it here as dispute resolution may as thus require knowledge of the Swedish language. Tack på förhand, Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 01:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Swedish military industry

Shouldn't there be an article about Swedish military industry? Or is there one and I cannot find it? There are quite a few articles in the category Category:Defence companies of Sweden and Category:Military equipment of Sweden, but I reckon there should be an integrated article giving an outline of the likes of Bofors, Kockums, SAAB and perhaps even Huskvarna – companies that have had an impact not only in Sweden but also internationally. --Ezeu 10:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Elisson is working on one. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sweden#History_of_Sweden.

He calls it Military history of Sweden.

Fred-Chess 15:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Frölunda HC - Requested move

I have started a WP:RM for Frölunda HC to be moved to the standard, official name of Frölunda Indians.

Please contribute at Talk:Frölunda HC. --Mais oui! 16:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Members of the Riksdag

Hello. I'd just like to mention I've begun some kind of a one-man wikiproject on our MPs: members of the Riksdag. See User:Jobjörn/Riksdagsledamöter and feel free to help out. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 20:14, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Well, this is dull

Well, this is one dull notice board. The WikiProject isn't too active either. Anyone want to cooperate on something? Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 22:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the project is better suited for cooperative tasks? But, to reply here, I can think of many things we can cooperate on. It depends on what you are interested in. Do you want to write lists, GA:s, FA:s, comprehensive stub articles, or B-class articles to cover larger topics? For example, one could create an article for every member of the Riksdag. Pia wanted to create articles of all Scanian castles. And some people like to write GA:s or FA:s, but they would take a lot longer time to write. / Fred-Chess 15:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Norse history and culture

has been formed. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 21:28, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Swedish language

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[edit] Swedish language (again)

Disputes over contents in Swedish language don't appear to be approaching any reasonable consensus, and the discussion is pretty much in a stalemate with accusations of personal attacks. The discussion could really use input from other editors. Please see talk:Swedish language#Strindberg for the current discussion.

Peter ^Isotalo 13:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] OT: possibly incorrect info at the sv. wiki

Over at the Zoroastrianism article, we have a tendentious anon editor who has repeatedly inserted incorrect information. It appears that he/she has pulled the same stunt over at sv:Zoroastrism (this edit of 14 March), and has perhaps mangled a cited statement in the process. A speaker of Swedish might wish to check if the cited source backs up that change. Regards. -- Fullstop (talk) 00:53, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Since I do not have the book I can not check if it is correct or not, but even if it is, it would not be a strong source, the source is a pocket book collection of statistical numbers, so it is a very general source, only relying on other source for its data and can easily have added a extra zero by misstake when printing, my guess is that he ignored the source and just edited. --Stefan ^talk 02:11, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

*nod*, I suspect the anon just ignored the source as well. The previously sourced figure of 270,000 was added to the sv.wiki on 18 June 2006 by sv:Användare:Flinga. Could you please post a note of the discrepancy on that editor's talkpage? Thanks. -- Fullstop (talk) 22:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC) ps: stronger sources would be: "some 200,000" in Melton, J. Gordon & Baumann, Martin, eds. (2002), Religions of the World: A Comprehensive Encyclopedia of Beliefs and Practices, Oxford: ABC-CLIO, ISBN 1-57607-223-1, p. 634; "approximately 250,000" in Hopfe, Lews M. & Woodward, Mark R, eds. (2003), Religions of the World, New York: Prentice Hall, ISBN 0-13-183007-4, p. 313; "130,000" in Eliade, Mircea & Couliano, Ioan P., eds. (1991), The Eliade Guide to World Religions, San Francisco: Harper Collins, ISBN 0-06-062145-1, p. 254; "[...out of] a world Zoroastrian population of 150,000" in Palsetia, Jesse S. (2001) The Parsis of India, Leiden: Brill, ISBN 90-04-12114-5, p. 1 n. 1. Incidentally, the anon tried to cite flaky adherents.com, which—judging from this page—was an invalid cite as well.

[edit] Talk:Midvinterblot

The article is about a Swedish painting and the references provided are Swedish. I, as the GA reviewer of the article, wanted two of references verified. Can someone please verify if the references are translated perfectly in English? Thanks.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 07:33, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

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