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Contents 1 Redirect of Holtzappel 2 Redirect of Eppelman 3 Cross-wiki troll/stalker 4 Gurch (talk | contribs) deleted "Shanel" (Does not further the project) 5 Deletion discussion? 6 What the hell... 7 Album covers 8 YGM 9 Wikipedia:User categories for discussion 10 Fair use rationale for Image:Unbreakmyheart.jpg 11 Smile! 12 Admins channel 13 Hi please help me in steward abuse 14 Funkmaster Flex edits 15 RE:Shop Boyz 16 Happy Shanel's Day! 17 Re Tok Pisin Wikis temp sysop permission 18 Shanel 19 Second Coming 20 re:Scott Lost 21 Image:Anthem for Doomed Youth (Wikipedia excerpt).ogg 22 Re: Happy birthday! 23 Smile! 24 So nice 25 Image:Canadian Coptic Center.jpg & Image:St Mark's CopticChurch--TO.jpg 26 Hey, Shanel! 27 Let's look at the next item up for bids... 28 Merry Christmas 29 Your recent edits 30 :O 31 Featured sounds 32 Thanks, re: Wikimania 33 Admin Coaching Re-confirmation 34 WMC meeting and cross-wiki checkuser request

[edit] Redirect of Holtzappel

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[edit] Redirect of Eppelman

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[edit] Cross-wiki troll/stalker

Reminder to check: User:Danny Horn@enwiki, User:Gorge He@enwiki, and zh:User:George He@zhwiki G.He 21:54, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

(And delete User:George He (I did register that account on enwiki, but the vandal created the userpage) and block User:Gorge He) G.He 22:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Shanel, this is Jack Phoenix of Wikia. We talked a bit over at #wikia-antivandalism. :)

Anyway, here are the troll accounts with appropriate links:

Jack Phoenix on French Wikipedia - My userpage history on French Wikipedia - block log for "Jack Phoenix" (blocked indefinitely

Jack Phoenix on English Wikipedia - My userpage history on English Wikipedia - block log for "Jack Phoenix" (blocked indefinitely)

Jack Phoenix on Finnish Wikipedia - My userpage history on Finnish Wikipedia - block log for "Jack Phoenix" (blocked indefinitely)

Roosaa kirottu on Finnish Wikipedia (not blocked yet)

Thanks for your time and it was very nice to meet you. :) --Roosa 22:05, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

As of now, 14:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC), one imposter more:

Fennix on Finnish Wikipedia - My userpage history on Finnish Wikipedia - not yet blocked

The name is an intentional misspelling of my Finnish nickname I use outside Wikipedia and Wikia . I'm guessing this is yet another sockpuppet...and similiar intentional misspellings of that nick have appeared on Wikia too. Thanks for your time to clean up this mess, Shanel. :) --Roosa 14:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gurch (talk | contribs) deleted "Shanel" (Does not further the project)

Hi. Have you made any arrangements to depopulate the categories you deleted, or are you going to leave that to the rest of us? Thanks – Gurch 17:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion discussion?

I notice you deleted Category:Furry Wikipedians, and removed it from people's userpages... However, I can't find a deletion discussion for this category, in CFD, MFD, or anywhere else... Care to point me to it? Thanks, Bushytails 19:29, 25 May 2007 (UTC).

Finally found one, had to look way back... in November 2006, this category was listed for deletion, but the result was a definite keep. Has there been anything newer? Thanks again, Bushytails 19:48, 25 May 2007 (UTC).

While I may do that, the first step of a deletion review is, of course, to talk to the person who deleted it.  :)

By some quick estimating and searching, there's probably well over a thousand wikipedia articles (many with associated media) on topics releated to furry fandom, mentioning furs, or of significant interest to the furry community, and as it is a major subculture, this is to be expected. Like the other subcategories of Category:Wikipedians, Category:Furry Wikipedians could be used to find editors with similar interests to help with an article, resolve disputes, and so forth, and complies with all guidelines I can find for classifying wikipedians, such as not being inflammatory, divisive, or intended to promote politics.

You suggest the use of a userbox instead... By that logic, the entire Category:Wikipedians structure is unneeded, and should instead be replaced by about a million (or so) userboxes, that every user who wished to categorize themselves would need to add to their userpage... And not being too much of a fan of userboxes myself (note my page has nothing other than babel boxes), I hope you'll agree with me that this would be a bad thing. (Also note the category existed long before the furry userbox, possibly before widespread use of userboxes... and many people were in the category that do not use userboxes). Especially with userboxes being phased out, proper categories are neccessary. (As a side-note, there were a couple hundred more users in the category before the big userbox deletions, as most people had their box deleted rather than replaced with a userspace one.)

Being popular for vandalism and attacks is no reason to delete something, and is something most long-term wikipedians have come to expect... And vandalism of a category, unlike vandalism of a userbox, has very little impact and almost no visibility, while a vandalized userbox will appear on hundreds of pages at once.

And then, of course, the result of a deletion discussion only 6 months ago was "keep", and in several other deletion discussions, other wikipedian categories were deleted with their users being moved to Category:Furry Wikipedians from other more narrowly-defined categories, implying the desirability of that one.

Short version: It helps further the project, doesn't hurt the project, complies with all policies, has been repeatedly voted to be kept, and probably shouldn't be deleted.  :) Thanks, Bushytails 21:33, 25 May 2007 (UTC).

Heh, you think goons doing mindless wiki-vandalism is a new problem? They attack just about everything they dislike, both online and offline... I remember when I was doing some advertising for a furry-oriented meeting... we put up glossy 14x19" mini-posters advertising it... so, of course, the local goons pulled them down and put up their own anti-furry posters... I just wish I remembered to get photos of them dressed up as fake ninjas while they were swapping posters. Some fursuits may look odd, but not nearly as laughable as a bunch of slightly drunk goons with black sweatshirts wrapped around their heads.  :)

Ah, those were the days... I got around a hundred death threats over that. But, that's a bit off-topic... I'll just assume that most furs who state their furryness in public are thick-skinned enough to revert their userpages slightly more often than other users... And removing one source of people to complain about will just cause them to find another. I think goons have some disease that will cause them to instantly die if they can't find someone to bash.  :)

I've found categories useful... For example, when I started the metalworking wikiproject, I looked through them to see if I could find people with similar interests to help edit pages. (sadly, I didn't find any useful categories, but that shows how much more popular furry fandom is than mechanical engineering, and that we need more categories for engineers!). With furry pages, due to the relatively high volume of sneaky vandalism, a category of topic-aware editors is always helpful... And, of course, as I said before, it's been voted "keep" at least a couple times.

Most people probably didn't notice because it was included with the userbox, and not many people check the list of categories at the bottom of their user page to see if one of them is suddenly missing... for the others, there's been so many non-policy-approved deletions lately that apathy runs high... and most people are probably scared to argue with a potentially rogue steward, anyway.

"Too much work" isn't a very good answer... I bet it'd take less than 5 minutes. I could do it in 15, but I don't have the few extra bits set on the server that lets me see all the undo links at once and skip the verification step. (Hell... my allergies are too bad right now to get any actual work done... if you undelete the category, I'll start re-adding people to it. I haven't been on wikipedia much the last year, need to boost my edit count anyway!  :) Bushytails 00:40, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I too only discovered this had gone when you (Shanel) removed the category from my userpage, and like Bushytails — for pretty much the exact reasons he set out above — I can't say I'm all that happy about it. So, pace your comment in User talk:Bushytails, he was not the only person who noticed! Does it really matter? No, not really. But it's mildly disappointing to have a category zapped with no prior warning after a fairly recent vote to keep. I won't make a huge song and dance about it, but I would have preferred it not to have been done. Loganberry (Talk) 00:36, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I will. One of the arguments given was that it's a way for trolls to find targets, but they could just as easily do the same with the list of users including the template. Besides, since when did we give in to trolls? The articles in Category:Furry are similarly vandalized, but I don't think anyone would see that as a reason to remove that category. GreenReaper 17:10, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What the hell...

Was up with that bot? Did buick really hack it? --Whsitchy 21:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Album covers

As album covers are, by their very definition, not replaceable by a free alternative, they inherently fall under the "no free alternative possible" criterion for a fair use justification. Period. Bearcat 05:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] YGM

Hey Shanel! You've got mail! Tell me if you need any more information :)

[edit] Wikipedia:User categories for discussion

I've noted that you've subjectively speedily deleted quite a few Wikipedian categories outside of the existing process at WP:UCFD.

Rather than just list them all at WP:DRV, I'd like to ask you to revert your deletion and restore the categories. And then feel free to nominate any that you have issues with at WP:UCFD. - jc37 23:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

While it would have been preferable that these were deleted within UCFD, I have to agree that most if not all the deleted categories were unencyclopedic and personally can't fault an IAR deletion of them. I wouldn't be surprized if DRV felt the same way. Of course, if Shanel wants to undelete them and bring them to UCFD that's fine too. VegaDark (talk) 23:59, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Since you've had a few edits since I've posted this, I'll presume that you are choosing to not respond (which is your perogative, in this case, I suppose). Since they were speedy deletions, if we consider the concerns above, we have more than just 2 concerned editors, which is enough per the speedy deletions section of WP:CFD for a normal listing. So I'm going to go ahead and revert them all "en masse", and list them at WP:UCFD for discussion. Personally, I think more than a few will likely still be deleted for the reasons you gave, but I think it's probably better to not "pick and choose" in this case. - jc37 08:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Unbreakmyheart.jpg

Thanks for uploading or contributing to Image:Unbreakmyheart.jpg. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 16:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Smile!

--Roosa 17:29, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Admins channel

Hello, Shanel. You're not on IRC, so I thought I'd leave this message here. In the future, I would not invite non-admins into the admins channel, especially if said user randomly appeared from nowhere after four months. That is a problem waiting to happen. (messedrocker • talk) 22:10, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi please help me in steward abuse

I am blocked from the irc channel by a stewart called Effeit Sanders, whom i have accused in my eyes very proving, of bias i would like to talk to some other stewards about his actions i feel that i am being abused by his higher power here i want my case be herd by his pears how can i do that?--זלמן לייב 19:50, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Funkmaster Flex edits

I don't understand - first you reverted someone's removal of personal information, then you locked the page, saying "please stop adding in personal information". I don't get it - are you pro- or anti-personal information on this page? Korny O'Near 03:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Shop Boyz

Well, first off, this person was, or at least claimed to be, an employee of Universal Records, the Shop Boyz record label; this isn't allowed at Wikipedia and is protected by a policy. Also, even when I tried to explain to this user why their edits were reverted, while, at the same time, citing policies, they refused to comply and continued to make the flawed edits. It's hard to assume good faith when someone doesn't listen. ♣ Klptyzm ^{Chat wit' me § Contributions} ♣ 19:56, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Shanel's Day!

Shanel has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and therefore, I've officially declared today as Shanel's day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Shanel! A record of your Day will always be kept here. Love, Phaedriel 01:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Happy Shanel's day. You deserve it, my love. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 03:43:25, 09 July 2007 (UTC)

YAY! Happy Shanel's day! Giggy _U^CP 06:32, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Happy Shanel Day Too. Take Care:) King Lopez ^Contribs 07:18, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

You get a Wikipedia cake. —Benn Newman 13:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re Tok Pisin Wikis temp sysop permission

Many thanks, Shanel, for granting my request for temp sysop/admin permissions.  I can't tell you enought how wonderful it felt to look at the Main page of the TPI Wikipedia and see those extra tabs there and on the TPI Wiktionary as well!!

Now to roll up my sleeves and really get to work on those two Wikis! Many thanks again, Shanel.  K. Kellogg-Smith 01:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shanel

For You Shanel. King Lopez ^Contribs 09:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I am concern why this user never replies to messages left on her talk page. Does she talk? King Lopez ^Contribs 10:01, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Second Coming

Hi, please contribue to the talk page before simply making changes. There is a discussion already about the future tag. Thanks. (edit forgot to sign name sorry) Jstanierm 12:26, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Shanel, the above editor is not going with consensus, and keeps adding the tag. Regards, -- Jeff3000 13:52, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re:Scott Lost

That's fine, I haden't realized that he wanted to keep it seperatly, otherwise I wouldn't have moved it. If you really wanted to get rid of the mention of the name, you could probably oversight the pagemove I did so that it never showed up in the history (if thats possible :p) Cheers! — Moe ε 13:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Anthem for Doomed Youth (Wikipedia excerpt).ogg

Hi Shanel,

Just a note to say that, for a presentation at Wikimania today, I demonstrated how to remove noise and normalise audio using Audacity using your reading of Anthem for Doomed Youth. Just so you know. :)

Cheers, Daveydweeb (^chat/_review!) 07:26, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Happy birthday!

Grazie diecimila! :D --Tooby 10:15, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Smile!

And, happy belated birthday, too. M.^(er) 03:01, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I second. :) @pple complain 17:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Early, or very belated indeed. It's in November. ;) —{admin} Pathoschild 01:15:39, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] So nice

to see you drop by KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 03:45, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I knew when I saw Alfie with sticky fur, chewing floor gum, that I had to drop by. :O--§hanel 07:10, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Mmmm well you were a little late, where were you when this was going on? Mm hmm. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 07:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair nuff. Anyhow, somebody's birthday is coming up, is it not? KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 04:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Canadian Coptic Center.jpg & Image:St Mark's CopticChurch--TO.jpg

Hello, there.

I just wanted to know if you're able to take a picture of the Coptic Orthodox Church Center in Mississauga OR St. Mark's Coptic Orthodox Church in Toronto. You can find out the street address online (the links to those websites are on the image pages). The current images are, unfortunately, copyrighted, as I was the one who uploaded them.

The current (copyrighted) images may get deleted, so if they do, then I'll need to replace them.

I need you or somebody else to take a picture, release its copyright, and upload it onto Wikipedia. I HAVE contacted others to notify them also, so if there are more than one pictures, that's OK (I can still make an article on them). I want these images to be used for, specifically, the article "Coptic Orthodox Church in Canada". The image pages are, again:

• Toronto: Image:St Mark's CopticChurch--TO.jpg
• Mississauga: Image:Canadian Coptic Center.jpg

• ~ Troy 22:34, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey, Shanel!

[edit] Let's look at the next item up for bids...

Rich Fields: Its a barrage of prizes!!!!

Birthday.gif Its a cake! From a bakery in Queens, this cake was meant just for you.

Its a bottle of foreign beer! Made by some foreign company, this beer was brought to you to celebrate your birthday!

Two tickets from me, Rich Fields, as you cruise to the Price Is Right studio in your...

...BRAND NEW MASERATI!!! From the Maserati company, this Coupe will have you driving in style.

Rich: Happy birthday Shanel.

Drew: What do you bid?^Mitch32^contribs 20:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merry Christmas

[edit] Your recent edits

Just kidding! Your talk page looked lonely, so I figured I'd liven it up. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 06:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit]  :O

*huggles* Huggle (talk) 11:03, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Featured sounds

I noticed that you have participated Wikipedia:Featured sound candidates in the past. There are now two candidates and the project appears to be abandoned. If you could look at the candidates and vote it would be appreciated. Zginder ^{(talk) (Contrib)} 18:18, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks, re: Wikimania

Thanks for signing up for the Wikimania Toronto organizing team, we're glad to have you on. And special thanks for recruiting Cbrown and Az1568, that's especially appreciated. -- Zanimum (talk) 18:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Admin Coaching Re-confirmation

Hello, previously you expressed interest in participating in the Wikipedia:Admin coaching project. We are currently conducting a reconfirmation drive to give coaches the opportunity to update their information and capacity to participate in the project. Please visit Wikipedia:Admin coaching/Status to update your status and move your entry to the Active list. Also, please remember to update your capacity (5th table variable) in the form of a fraction (eg. 2/3 means you are currently coaching 2 students, and could accept 1 more student). Thank you. MBisanz ^talk 09:31, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WMC meeting and cross-wiki checkuser request

Hello Shanel,

There will be a WMC meeting at 8pm (EST) tonight. Hope you can make it.

Also, I have placed a cross-wiki checkuser request on meta checkuser page I hope you can help me vertify whether these 2 IPs and a registered user are sockpuppets. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 17:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)