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[edit] Alleged plagiarism=

I have on several occasions tried to remove the comment regarding one student's plagiarism and the school's response to it. The moderator then describes my removal of the comment as being unconstructive. I contend that its inclusion is unconstructive and non-value added. It is a single point in time issue relating to one ex-student and now it takes a prominent position in a description of the school itself - this is one more example of the wiki model protecting the salacious to the exclusion of balance and fair play. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.89.148 (talk) 02:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

You appear to be mischaracterizing the incident by stating that the student plagiarized when it appears that he was wrongfully accused. The fact that the student was wrongfully accused and that the professor was subjected to rather harsh discipline is a commentary on the school and is relevant. I don't know what you mean by constructive. The articles are not supposed to be constructive or destructive just neutral. Also, we are also supposed to strive to find a consensus before repeatedly unilaterally making revisions which are disputed.Mysteryquest (talk) 19:15, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

You do not understand what occurred. The instructor in question, when she was a student (1) working on her own dissertation, appears to have not used APA citation – or perhaps much citation at all in some instances and after the instructor had graduated with her doctorate, a different student (2), when reviewing the problematic dissertation saw citation inconsistencies.

This student (2) brought the question up to her faculty members who did not agree with her regarding her observation of plagiarism. The student (2) did not agree with their finding and continued to press the issue. Student (2) was then admonished and a note was added to her file. The issue continued to circulate and was brought to the attention of the press in Chicago – who asked for more detail.

The university first stood by the findings of the local faculty member who determined no plagiaristic foul on the part of the student (1). The university continued to evaluate the paper and then concluded that there was, intentional or not, substantial plagiarism on the part of the student (1) in her dissertation. Student (1) was removed from her teaching assignment, her dissertation voided and her degree rescinded. Student (2) was absolved of any wrongdoing and her file cleansed of related commentary. Student (1) was after a period of time, allowed to reapply, and then develop, complete and submit an entirely new dissertation. The entire event was handled consistent with policy and represented the most vigorous and meaningful approach to correcting a recent issue of plagiarism – review other occurrences and note the absence of corrective action on the part of whichever university was involved. No other recent plagiarist has been stripped of his or her awarded degree, removed form teaching and made to completely re-do and re-submit their dissertation.

Wrongs occurred which were corrected. They won’t happen again. They were, still, a point in time occurrence with one student plagiarist and one faculty member misevaluating the occurrence, all of which was corrected. The plagiarist, in trying to reestablish herself in academia, has pointed to other such occurrences of plagiarism at other universities claiming to have made a similar oversight and claiming much to do over little – no one is buying it, in particular student (2) and her substantially reformatted ex-faculty member.

But, it still is not other than a point in time occurrence on the part of a couple of people and does not represent the basis and work of the 13,000 students and faculty – it is exploitive commentary and needs to be removed from what should be a simple description of the university, devoid of salacious commentary.

In regard to your comment of unilateral activity – that’s exactly what happened to get this story included in the description of the university in the first place. It should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.144.110.131 (talk) 22:39, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Your argument appears to contain original research as defined by wikipedia, are you affiliated with Argosy University. You continue to characterize the student as a plagiarist though she was found not to be one and bring forth other allegations for which you have provided no reliable sources. The fact that this was a "moment in time" and "will not happen again" are not relevant to removing this article. If a murder takes place in a moment and time and will not take place again, that does not make it irrelevant.Mysteryquest (talk) 15:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Again, you have either missed the point or have chosen to misread the facts. An instructor was found to have plagiarized when she was a student. A different student discovered it. The discoverer was initially not believed and was disciplined. It was later determined that the discoverer was indeed correct and she was absolved of error. The plagiarist was indeed and deemed a plagarist, when she was a student, and she was disciplined via the rescinding of her degree. It is still, however, the actions of one student, which was addressed, and is not worthy of tainting the school, other students, or alumni. The only original research on my part was to read the media articles referenced in the wiki by either the journalist himself or the student initially pointing out the non-cited material of the plagiarist. Either way you are supporting a self-serving entry as though it has relevance - which it does not.

I agree wholeheartedly with Mysteryquest. The entry stands. Your edit-warring and stubbornness doesn't win you any points, either.Helixweb (talk) 03:47, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

And what is your logic? Other than you don't award me any points due to stubbornness? I certainly don't have a lock on that. You and your buddies have been nothing but non-reasoning in this. Simply responsive and reactive not thoughtful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.89.148 (talk) 03:53, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

If they are being stubborn, it is them being stubborn about enforcing the rules. Maybe you should read them sometime, particularily WP:3RR. Helixweb (talk) 04:00, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

It appears to me that you feel it is irrelevant because you do not agree with it and want to censor it. The actions of the university in originally disciplining the student who accused the doctoral candidate of plagiarism are remarkable and relevant. This is only a neutral report on a relevant well sourced story. The readers can read the article and the sources just as you did and come to their own conclusion even it is the one you have come to. There is no reason to deprive them of that opportunity.Mysteryquest (talk) 06:41, 21 March 2008 (UTC)