Talk:Antonio López de Santa Anna
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[edit] More could be said
I think more could be said in this article, but I'm probably not the best person to attempt it. Anyone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.165.239.87 (talk • contribs) 20:38, 1 November 2002
[edit] Possible moves, disambiguation
Santa Anna is currently a redirect to Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna, and info about "Anna also known as Saint Anne" is at Anna. I want to make Saint Anne info at Saint Anne and make Santa Anna a disambiguation page to the various meanings, but I'm waiting for a consensus on the Anna/Saint Anne move. See Talk:Anna. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.165.239.87 (talk • contribs) 20:58-20:59, 1 November 2002
[edit] Tremendous improvement
Wow. Tremendous improvement on this article over the last 24 hours. I am impressed. Thanks to all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.165.239.87 (talk • contribs) 01:19, 2 November 2002
[edit] Important details
How can you write about Santa Anna without mentioning the Alamo and talking about his defeat at the hands of general Sam Houston? Also, he called himself the "Napolean of the West" and obviously modelled his uniforms and that of his soldiers on the Napoleanic tradition. Seems like it's lacking some important details. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.161.91.63 (talk • contribs) 23:31-23:41, 16 November 2004
- Improvements are welcome, as always. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 00:07, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Wooden leg
I was watching "Kind of the Hill" and one of their stories was about american soldiers stealing Santa Anna's wooden leg, and it being on display at some museam in Illinois. Is there any truth to that? .... I think it would be a great accomplishment to american imperialism if we really did it. Go team! Gimp that mexican! :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.182.145.196 (talk • contribs) 00:34, 7 February 2005
[edit] Slavery
I understood from one historian that part of the problem the Texans had with Santa Anna is that he did not allow slavery, widely practiced at the time in the southern regions of the present USA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.254.231 (talk • contribs) 04:14, 31 March 2005
[edit] Terms of presidency
The article states that SA was president of Mexico eleven times; the infobox only has 5 terms of presidency. Which is correct? User:FeanorStar7
- Reply: From all published accounts that I've found to date, Santa Anna was president of Mexcio eleven times. Now how long each time lasted might make it harder to pin point. User: tlincoln 01:29, 26 June 2005 (UTC)
- Here are a few dates to ponder:
- 30 March 1833/ 16 May 1833/ 3 June 1833/ 27 Oct. 1833/ 24 April 1834/ 20 March 1839/ 10 Oct. 1841/ 4 March 1843/ 4 June 1844/ 6 Dec. 1846/ 21 March 1847/ 20 May 1847/ 20 April 1853
- Perhaps these can be collated with other dates to get an exact match. The following web sites all list his being president eleven times.
- www.historicaltextarchive.com / www.tamu.edu.ccbn/dewitt/santaanna.htm / www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/people / www.mexconnect.com / www.libutexas.edu/benson/Mex_Archives
- Now let us not raise our blood pressure over this issue. A simple, intelligent, non-finger pointing debate session will be healthy. Isn't history wonderful? Thanks and enjoy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.251.89.66 (talk • contribs) 03:42, 29 September 2005
[edit] "López de Santa Anna"
So, should our subject be known as "López" or "Santa Anna". He is referred to as "López" once in the text, and an editor has just changed it so that he is sorted by "López" in categories. However "Santa Anna" seems to be the more usual name used. It'd be good to be consistent unless there's a reason. Any thoughts? -Willmcw 20:41, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
- I would simply leave all references to him as Santa Anna. You're correct, he is almost universally recognized as Santa Anna. Tlincoln 17:46, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
This is true in Mexico as well. He never seems to be referred to as "López" and rarely as "Lopez de Santa Anna", almost always as "Santa Anna", which, by the way is pronounced as though it were spelled "Santana". Both the use of his second last name and the pronounciation are exceptions to the usual rules in Spanish. --Rbraunwa 17:56, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Opium addiction?
It was rumored that Santa Anna was an opium addict, according to "When Eagles Clash," any corroboration for this? -Babs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.136.24.56 (talk • contribs) 20:16, 17 September 2005
[edit] Chronology
Chronology.....(giving dates for the ELEVEN times that Santa Anna was ,or held the office of ,the president of the Republic
21 Feb 1794/5 born in Jalapa Veracruz 6 July 1810 entered the Veracruz infantry as a cadet 13 March 1811 went with his regiment to Tampico to suppress insurgents working for the separation of Texas 1813 returned to Veracruz, promoted for bravery to first lieutenant 1814 made aide to General Dávila, royalist commander of Veracruz March 1816 promoted to captain March 1821 given command of troops in Veracruz, sent to rescue Orizaba and Córdoba from pro-independence forces 23 March 1821 arrived in Orizaba, defeated the insurgent Miranda 29 March 1821 General Herrera arrived, as did dispatch from Viceroy making Santa Anna lieutenant colonel as reward for Miranda's defeat; Santa Anna joined Herrera in support of Iturbide 25 April 1821 Santa Anna came to Herrera's aid at Tepeaca, defeated the Spanish colonel Hevia
rewarded by Iturbide with promotion to Chief of the Army's 11th Division
July 1821 surrounded Veracruz and suggested that his old protector General Dávila surrender to him; Dávila successfully resisted 21 July 1821 Viceroy Juan O'Donojú arrived en route to Córdoba, where Iturbide awaited him to finalize treaties ending Spain's dominance of Mexico
Dávila withdrew from Veracruz at the end of October, still faithful to Ferdinand VII
27 Sept 1821 Trigarante army entered Mexico City 28 Sept 1821 Regency established 25 Oct 1822 Santa Anna with General Rincón took Veracruz
Iturbide named Santa Anna brigadier general and Commander of the Province of Veracruz
16 Nov 1822 suspicious of Santa Anna, Iturbide arrived in Jalapa, removed Santa Anna from his command, ordered him to join the Junta de Guerra in Mexico City; Santa Anna instead returned to Veracruz 2 Dec 1822 in Veracruz, Santa Anna proclaimed "la República," declared Iturbide's reign "invalid," demanded new Congreso Constituyente 1 Feb 1823 Plan de Casa Mata signed 19 March 1823 Iturbide abdicated
government sent Santa Anna to San Luis Potosí as commander of the province
5 June 1823 Santa Anna announced his support of the Federal Republic
called to Mexico, Santa Anna placed under house arrest - freed by intervention of Vicente Guerrero, was reinstated as brigadier general and named military commander of Yucatán
mid-1824 arrived at Campeche
declared war on Spain, tried to invade Cuba against the wishes of the Mexican government
25 April 1825 government accepted Santa Anna's resignation as Governor (?) of Yucatán
President Guadalupe Victoria named him director of the Corps of Engineers, but Santa Anna soon gave up post; went to Alvarado (Veracruz), married Inés de la Paz, n.d. (Inés García?), bought hacienda of Manga de Clavo
30 Dec 1826 (23 Dec 1827?) Vicente Guerrero sent to put down Montaño's rebellion at Otumba; Santa Anna offered his services to Guerrero 7 January 1828 Santa Anna and Guerrero defeated and exiled Barragán and Bravo
Santa Anna named Governor of Veracruz in Barragán's place
1 Sept 1828 Congress declared Pedraza president and Vicente Guerrero vice-president 12 Sept 1828 Santa Anna demanded that presidency be given to Guerrero 3 Dec 1828 Pedraza fled the presidency 8 Dec 1828 Guerrero named secretary of war 1 April 1829 Guerrero became president
Santa Anna again Governor of Veracruz
27 July 1829 Spanish under Barradas took Tampico 11 Sept 1829 Santa Anna with General Mier y Terán defeated Barradas' troops
Santa Anna named "Benemérito de la Patria"
4 Oct 1829 Santa Anna returned to Veracruz 4 Dec 1829 refused to administer the Plan of Jalapa with Bustamante against Guerrero 3 Jan 1830 renounced his politico-military duties 2 Jan 1832 Military garrison of Veracruz rebelled against Bustamante, Santa Anna offered to mediate
government accused Santa Anna of leading rebellion
March 1832 Santa Anna defeated by government forces 5 Oct 1832 Pedraza returned from the U.S. 24 Dec 1832 Pedraza assumed presidency in Puebla 3 Jan 1833 Pedraza and Santa Anna entered Mexico City 30 March 1833 Santa Anna named President, with Gómez Farías as vice-president 1 April l833 Gómez Farías became president as Santa Anna pleaded ill health; Farías'policies proved unpopular 16 May 1833 Santa Anna resumed presidency 3 June 1833 Santa Anna returned presidency to Farías
took command of the army so as to subdue insurrections of Morelia and Tlalpan
held captive by Arista while Gómez Farías put down rebellion
5 July 1833 Santa Anna pursued Arista 12 Oct 1833 defeated Arista in Guanajuato 27 Oct 1833 Santa Anna resumed presidency 15 Dec 1833 left presidency, requesting from Congress 6 months' leave because of his health 24 April 1834 Santa Anna resumed presidency 27 Jan 1835 Santa Anna left presidency 11 May 1835 defeated Salinas in Battle of Guadalupe, Zacatecas
named "Benemérito en grado heróico"
headed exposition to quell uprising in Texas
26 Feb 1836 entered Texas, attacked Alamo 6 Mar 1836 attacked presidio of Espíritu Santo 21 Apr 1836 defeated by Houston at San Jacinto 18 Jan 1837 interviewed by U.S. President Jackson 21 Feb 1837 returned to Veracruz by boat, to the cheers of the populace 27 Nov 1838 French fired on San Juan de Ulúa, Santa Anna defended 5 Dec 1838 lost leg 20 March 1839 Santa Anna succeeded Bustamante as interim president 30 April 1839 defeated federalists Mejía and Urrea at Acajete 10 July 1839 surrendered presidency to Nicolás Bravo 10 Oct 1841 Santa Anna resumed presidency 26 Oct 1842 returned presidency to Bravo 4 March 1843 Santa Anna resumed presidency
irst wife died; married Dolores de Tosta 4 Oct 1843 surrendered presidency to Canalizo 4 June 1844 Santa Anna took oath as constitutional president 7 Sept 1844 obtained leave of absence from presidency 19 Nov 1844 Paredes y Arrillaga rebelled in Guadalajara
Santa Anna attacked Arrillaga without consent of Congress
Santa Anna's army deserted; he was captured and exiled 3 June 1845 Santa Anna left Veracruz for Havana 4 Aug 1846 Paredes y Arrillaga removed from office 22 Aug 1846 Santa Anna returned to Veracruz, proclaiming the reestablishment of the Constitution of 1824 6 Dec 1846 Congress named Santa Anna interim president
Santa Anna surrendered presidency to Gómez Farías
went to San Luis Potosí to rally troops against U.S. General Taylor 26 Jan 1847 Santa Anna attacked Taylor 23 Feb 1847 defeated Taylor 21 March 1847 Santa Anna resumed presidency 2 April 1847 surrendered presidency to Anaya
went to fight U.S. General Scott in Veracruz 20 May 1847 Santa Anna resumed the presidency
lost five battles against U.S. 16 Sept 1847 surrendered presidency, escaped via Guatemala or the U.S., sailed to Jamaica then to Turbaco, Colombia 1 April 1853 returned to Veracruz 19 April 1853 made triumphal entry into Mexico City 20 April 1853 Santa Anna resumed the Presidency 16 Dec 1853 Council of State gave Santa Anna "facultades omnímodas," title of "alteza serenísima" 1 March 1854 Plan of Ayutla against Santa Anna 9 Aug 1855 Santa Anna renounced Presidency
went to Havana, then Turbaco, Colombia 27 Feb 1864 Santa Anna returned to Veracruz, promising Bazaine not to be politically active, but continued seeking support 12 March 1864 Bazaine deported Santa Anna from Veracruz Jan 1866 Santa Anna visited by U.S. Secretary of State Seward on island of St. Thomas 3 June 1867 Santa Anna returned to Veracruz, claiming U.S. endorsement 4 June 1867 Santa Anna taken with U.S. help to Sisal, Yucatán, and imprisoned 30 July 1867 Santa Anna moved to prison of San Juan de Ulúa
Santa Anna's death sentence commuted to exile 2 Nov 1867 Santa Anna sailed to Havana, then to the Bahamas 1874 Santa Anna allowed to return to Mexico by Lerdo de Tejada under a general amnesty 20 June 1876 died in poverty in Mexico City
Benson Latin American Collection Rare Books and Manuscripts Inventory Antonio López de Santa Anna Collection Prepared by the Mexican Archives Project February 13, 1995 I thoroughly despise inconsistency..even when perpetrated by Wikipedia..if you state that Santa Anna was president of MEXICO "eleven times" ..then TELL ME WHEN AND UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES THIS OCCURED.Don't say "eleven" times and then only tell me about "Five".I further suggest that you always give a month and a date where possible, and not just the year.This helps when you want chronological accuracy and one guy serves the 1st month of the year,and somone else finishes that same year in his stead.Due to the logical demands of the alphabet,the exact order in which they served may be skewed. If someone will check all the dates and history of the list of presidents of Mexico,you will find many such discrepancies... in the list itself..the dates..and who preceded and who followed who..There is a bright side to my general condemnation...In the process of being so rudely forced to check up on the "real" story...I learned a heck of a lot of Mexican history.."Fascinating" doesn't even come close... raedwulf —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raedwulf16 (talk • contribs) 07:32, 24 September 2005
- People also forgot to add that he was a brilliant military genius, he was after all elected to be president eleven times! I would also like to explain why he was called a so-called "dictator". He was called this because of a lie, a lie which currently is taught to nearly all texans alike! Texas was stolen from Mexico, but in your average textbook it says that texas wanted to be free! The point of the matter is that whoever wins a war or a conflict decides what is written in history instead of what really happened! I advice all people who are going to research something to research it right! P.S. I will write more comments. -Bobby —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.188.116.70 (talk • contribs) 00:08, 1 March 2006
[edit] Note to users
I am very bothered by some of the comments on this discussion page. Let's be smart members of this community, and use this space for intelligent dialogue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skibofilms (talk • contribs) 20:12, 22 December 2005
[edit] Changes to Biography
I deleted a few sentences that were incorrect. One of these stating that Santa Anna was Emperor. He was never an Emperor. Dictator, yes. I tried to fix his early military carreer so it appears a bit more chronological.
Santa Anna was such a powerful force in American history, and he such an enigma, that it's hard to note down all the details of his life. For sure he was in love with himself and power.
I stopped at the US mexican war. He played a huge part in defending Mexico, and it seems that one paragraph on this topic should not be enough. I will make additional changes, and invite others to do so. Skibofilms 18:19, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup tag
This article needs some serious attention to make it clear, comprehensive and acurate (note disputes above). This perhaps may require an expert (which I am not). It seems that there is some discussion going on, and hopefully the cleanup tag will attract some fresh eyes. beekman 13:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Presidential Periods
This are the presidential periods, in some cases, days, when Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna were known as President of Mexico....
May 16 1833 / Jun 1 1833, elected by the votes of electors appointed by the state legislatures (votes counted at the joint meeting of the Congress 30 Mar 1833) oath of office taken, joint session of the Congress, Mexico City. left office several times to suppress revolts against his government (2 Jun 1833 - 17 Jun 1833)
Jun 18 1833 / Jul 5 1833, left office several times to suppress revolts against his government (6 Jul 1833 - 27 Oct 1833)
Oct 28 1833 / Dic 4 1833, granted leave of absence for health recovery (5 Dec 1833 - 23 Apr 1834); headed a coup to remove Gómez Farías and resumed presidency (24 Apr 1834).
Apr 24 1834 / Jan 27 1835, tendered his resignation to the Congress (22 Jan 1835), which was declined by the Chamber of Deputies (27 Jan 1835); was granted leave of absence for health recovery and retired to his estate.
Mar 18 1839 / Jul 9 1839 named provisional president to fill in for President Bustamante (18 Mar 1839), leading an army to suppress a rebellion in Tampico; pleaded illness and left the presidency (10 Jul 1839).
Oct 9 1841 / Oct 25 1842. appointed provisional president (9 Oct 1841) by a body composed of two representatives from each state.
Mar 5 1843 / Oct 3 1843
Jun 4 1844 / Sep 11 1844. Substituted on a number of occasions by interim presidents (Nicolás Bravo and Valentín Canalizo); elected constitutional president for the term beginning on 1 Feb 1844, but refused to enter the office (Valentín Canalizo elected interim president); assumed the presidency on 4 Jun 1844; obtained leave of absence for health treatment and transferred presidency to José Joaquín de Herrera (12 Sep 1844), who was in charge until Canalizo replaced him as interim president (21 Sep 1844); congressmen and military leaders announced the Santa Anna government deposed (17 Dec 1844); was arrested (15 Jan 1845) and imprisoned; amnestied (May 1845); sailed for Havana, Cuba; recalled to lead the war effort against the United States and returned on 16 Aug 1846; appointed commander-in-chief; elected president (Dec 1846), but departed for the north, leaving Vice President Gómez Farías in charge; attacked the American army under General Zachary Taylor near Buena Vista (22-23 Feb 1847), but retired with great losses; hearing of the overthrow of Gómez Farías, hastened to Mexico City and occupied the presidency on 21 Mar 1847; left General Pedro María de Anaya in charge and took command of the forces in the state of Vera Cruz.; was attacked and totally defeated at Cerro Gordo on 17-18 Apr 1847; retreated to Mexico City to organize an army to defend the capital against the advancing American forces; Mexico City was occupied by the American army (14 Sep 1847); resigned the presidency; obtained permission to leave the country, sailing for Jamaica (1848); established himself in Turbaco, near Cartagena (1850); recalled, following the revolution of 1853; arrived in Vera Cruz (1 Apr 1853); took possession of the executive (20 Apr 1853); received from the Council of State the right to continue to exercise extraordinary powers for as long as he deemed necessary, title of Su Alteza Serenísima (His Most Serene Highness), and the power of nominating his successor (19 Nov 1853); rule soon became so despotic that revolutions began everywhere, the principal one being that of Ayutla, directed by General Juan Nepomuceno Álvarez Hurtado; after a severe struggle and many defeats abandoned the capital (9 Aug 1855).
Mar 21 1847 / Mar 31 1847
May 20 1847 / Sep 15 1847
Apr 20 1853 / Aug 9 1855
--Iasijram 21:05, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Meets Jackson
It seems odd that Jackson would meet with Santa Ana in 1837, considering that in the previous year SA had pursued a consistent policy of murdering American/Texan prisoners. I never had much regard for AJ for a number of reasons (the spoils system comes quickly to mind) but a sentence or two regarding their meeting would be appropriate. Billy T May 06 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Billyt (talk • contribs) 23:45, 26 May 2006
[edit] Early years
An anon user added an entire Early Years history to the article. Can it be substantiated? Kevin Breitenstein 04:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Opium Addiction: follow-up
In his book about the Texas Revolution, Duel of Eagles, Jeffery Long reported that both Santa Anna and Sam Houston used laudanum, a then-common, opium-based medicine. Both were addicted to the point that it caused real problems for their judgement and health.
It should be noted that laudanum was not a recreational drug and was viewed at the time as a legitimate medicine (see the Wikipedia article). Most addicts innocently acquired the habit by using laudanum for pain or some other problem; I suspect that was the case with both Houston and Santa Anna.
The phrase "opium addict" may conjure up an image for some readers that does not exactly fit Santa Anna. I suggest any addition to the article use the more specific term, "laudanum", and note that Santa Anna became "addicted to laudanum, a widely used opium-based medication." --A. B. 00:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Santa Anna's current image
How do Mexicans view Santa Anna today? As a patriot? A brutal leader? A corrupt dictator? A good guy? A bad guy? --A. B. 00:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
- A nobody, almost. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.150.219.119 (talk • contribs) 06:39, 30 November 2006
Well, Santa Anna is seen today as one of the darkest (if not the most) figures of mexican history. He is remembered for his tyrannic regime and his 11 presidential periods, his mediocrity as a militar, his erratic behavior when supporting a cause (You must know that during the first decades of independent Mexico there was a continous struggle between two main factions: the liberals, that supported the creation of a federal republic, and the conservatives, the ones that believed a monarchy led by a european prince would be the best option for the country). The most remarkable fact of his presidency, and perhaps the most remembered one is that our country lost about half of his territory, which has annexed by the United States. So, as simple as that, we mexicans consider Santa Anna a miserable traitor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.56.210.149 (talk • contribs) 21:47, 25 January 2007
[edit] Most presidencies?
Does anyone have an idea if any person has been a president of any country more times than he was? Nyttend 14:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
- I seem to remember he had more non-consecutive presidencies than any head of state who ever lived over the same nation.I can't remember the source though. TaylorSAllen 23:55, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Edit/ Reverts
The page at about 6:30 and until about 6:50 read 'HE WAS A BABY BACK BITCH' or something to that effect. I seem to remember seeing this before at school. The reverts are always quick (the person who performs the blanking, maybe does it) but still it could get worse. Has anyone else noted these breif issues? TaylorSAllen 23:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- Yup, if you dig through the history tab you'll note many such occurrences. Rarely does the vandalism come from the same source, and rarely does it happen more than once a day or so. Not really often enough to semi-protect (block non-registered or new users). So we just keep our eyes on it and revert bad changes when they come up. Kuru talk 00:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
66.248.174.137 (talk) 20:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)== Capture & Dishonor == It isn't mentioned in the article, but I had always heard that after his defeat by the Texan/Tejano forces he abandoned his men and was captured in women's clothing (dress, bra, headscarf, etc.) while fleeing amongst a group of refugees. Is this true? If it is, we should probably add it to the article. Along with his other actions, this would make him the most dishonorable military commander, like, ever. It doesn't get much worse than abandoning your men and hiding among civilians in drag. Childe Roland of Gilead 05:36, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- I don't remember the women's clothing, but he was captured by Samuel Highsmith wearing a Mexican Army privates' uniform (this is in James Haley's book Texas (the non-fiction one, not Michner's) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.74.232.50 (talk • contribs) 22:17, 4 April 2007
In another of his quick exits, I have heard that he hid in a piano case when he left Mexico for St. Thomas (in a trip that included the bulk of his country's treasury). Anything else about his time here on St. Thomas?
[edit] References
I can't seem to add any references to this page for the facts that have already been stated, any Ideas? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prifesor (talk • contribs) 08:59, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Infobox
I have him as President of Mexico ten times, but that's the mos the box will allow. Could someone please find a way to get his eleventh term in there? Therequiembellishere (talk) 11:08, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
