Talk:Alfonso X of Castile
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His wisdom was of "sulphuric quality"? What the hell does that mean?
- Was wondering that myself. "Sulphuric" would seem to indicate that it reeked of brimstone — as in traditional descriptions of Hell — which nothing else in the article seems to suggest. Smerdis of Tlön 15:00, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm guessing because sulphur smells like crap, it means that he had crappy wisdom. The article does kinda describe him as eccentric. After all, he could be learned but not wise at all. -Alex, 12.220.157.93 08:51, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
So, did this motherfucker have a father? What's up? --Sean Gray 04:48, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Forget it. His father was Ferdinand III. I'll add that in now. --Sean Gray 04:51, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Blackmore's Night performs a song titled "Fires at Midnight" (on the album of the same name) and introduce it on a live album (Past Times and Good Company) by saying the song was written by Alfonso X. Not sure if that's enough of a cite to merit inclusion. Aapold 06:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Undone "King of Germany"
I undoned that he was the "King of Germany" because he was only the King of Galicia, Castile and León. The title "King of the Romans" could be hold by a King who was not King of Germany (as this is the case). --Anna Lincoln 10:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Anna. So, are you saying that Alphonse *was* King of Germany after all? I've been trying to understand the distinction, if any, between King of Germany and King of the Romans, but I must say I'm not making a lot of progress. Do you understand the distinction? Regards, Eldredo 17:44, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I have read some articles and now I think that both are almost the same (in Kingdom of Germany it says: the German state became synonymous with the Empire and in the time of the Renaissance, the "Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation" united the two concepts of empire and kingdom).
- It's just that I had never heard the term "King of Germany" being used to name the "King of the Holy Roman Empire" ("Rex Romanorum"), but that's right. Change the article if you want as you did :-) --Anna Lincoln 16:27, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
My impression is: "Holy Roman Emperor" is different both from "King of the Romans/Rex Romanorum" and from "King of Germany" because you only get to be emperor if you're crowned by the pope in Rome. Not all the elected kings of Germany/kings of the Romans got to be Holy Roman Emperor. The distinction between "King of the Romans/Rex Romanorum" and King of Germany" is much muddier to me. I don't really care which formulation is used, but I was hoping there would be some consistent principle that would say "Everyone before 1300 was King of Germany and everyone after was King of the Romans" or something like that. I don't think I'm going to revisit any of the formulations in the articles unless some clarifying principle is discovered. Eldredo18:46, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, now I think that the three are different as you explained! But I have found a paragraph that could help, in es:Sacro Imperio Romano Germánico (Sacred Germanic Roman Empire), which I google-translate below:
- La denominación del Sacro Imperio varió enormemente a lo largo de los siglos. En 1034 se utilizaba la fórmula Imperio Romano para referirse a las tierras bajo dominio de Conrado II y no fue hasta 1157, durante el reinado de Federico I Barbarroja, que se empezó a usar el término Sacro Imperio. Por otro lado, el uso del término Emperador Romano hacía referencia a los gobernadores de las tierras europeas del norte y comenzó a usarse con Otón II el Sanguinario (emperador entre 973 y 983). Los emperadores anteriores, desde Carlomagno (muerto en 814) hasta Otón I el Grande (emperador entre 962 y 973), habían utilizado simplemente el título de Imperator Augustus ("Emperador Augusto"). El término Sacro Imperio Romano comienza a ser utilizado a partir de 1254; y el término Sacro Imperio Romano Germánico data del 1512, después de muchas variaciones en los últimos años del siglo XV.
- The denomination of the Sacred Empire varied enormously throughout the centuries. In 1034 the Roman Empire formula was used to talk about the earth under dominion of Conrado II and it was not until 1157, during the reign of Federico I Barbarroja, who began to use the Sacred Empire term. On the other hand, the use of the term Roman Emperor made reference to the governors of European territories of the north and began to be used with Otón II the Bloodthirsty (emperor between 973 and 983). The previous emperors, from Carlomagno (dead in 814) to Otón I the Great (emperor between 962 and 973), had used simply the title of Imperator Augustus (August Emperor). The term Sacred Roman Empire begins to be used as of 1254; and the term Sacred Germanic Roman Empire data of the 1512, after many variations in the last years of century XV.
- As you, I think I will also consider the three to be synonyms from now on. Regards. --Anna Lincoln 20:55, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
