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Contents 1 Proposed Link 2 Lider ng Abu Sayyaf 3 Makati, Davao, Gen. Santos (2/14/2005) 4 Abu 5 Islamist group? 6 Incorrect group name translation? 7 Sources 8 Unclear 9 Origin of name 10 Needs updating 11 Accuracy of Burnham story 12 February 2008 Activity Needs An External Link or Citation 13 What the hell? 14 Journalists abducted since 2000

[edit] Proposed Link

Hi, I'm working with The Pulitzer Center, a non-profit journalism agency geared towards providing audience to underrepresented news stories. I'd like to link this page to a related articles on the Pulitzer site; http://www.pulitzercenter.org/showproject.cfm?id=30 concerning The MILF peace process. Please let me know if I can post these links. Many thanks in advance. Blendus 01:02, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lider ng Abu Sayyaf

Grabe, Jessica Ashmore a.

[edit] Makati, Davao, Gen. Santos (2/14/2005)

Abu Sayyaf na nga ba daw yung may gawa ng mga pagbobomba doon? I think this person is asking whether Abu Sayyaf is really responsible for the bombings in the Philippines. The one liner also suggests that who ever wrote it is not a Tagalog speaking individual. Furthermore, there seem to a hint of sarcasm in the tone of the text.

[edit] Abu

Abu is more commonly translated as father, not bearer.

[edit] Islamist group?

As the article itself states Abu Sayaf has recently moved away from any over-arching goals and instead become primarly an organised crime group. As such (and given the murkiness surrounding the group) is it really possible to state with any degree of certainty that they are an islamist group? Or a separatist group, for that matter. Even terrorist is debatable. Daduzi 22:43, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrect group name translation?

In the Arabic language, سيف sayf means "sword", while سياف sayyāf means "executioner". Is there any reason to think that it's different in the name of the group? AnonMoos 20:41, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I provided a BBC link that says otherwise, not sure who is right but popular media seems to be the source fo the current translation.--NuclearUmpf 16:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

>>This is correct. Also, I'd like to note that the footnote provided after "swordsmith" does not lead to a link explaining the groups name.

[edit] Sources

I added some sources and removed the tag, if more are needed, please let me know and I will see what I can dig up, sorry for them being all from BBC but they had tons on Abu Sayyaf activities. --NuclearUmpf 16:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unclear

The group was originally not thought to receive funding from any government, but intelligence reports from the United States, Indonesia, and Australia have found intermittent ties to the Indonesian Jemaah Islamiyah terrorist group. This makes it sound like Jemaah Islamiyah is a government. --Descendall 23:33, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

>>I agree that this is unclear. It is also reflective of the old-fashioned notion held by many pop analysts that confuses groups operating in a country, that country's government, and that country's population. It should be corrected.

[edit] Origin of name

One story is that the group was named for an Afghan who called himself "Abu Sayyaf", who fought against the Soviets in the 80's. These "Abu" names are informal names (Abu-X would mean somebody whose oldest child is called X) or noms-de-guerre, with a few exceptions.

[edit] Needs updating

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An army raid on 7 June 2002 killed Mr. Burnham and Filipino nurse Ediborah Yap, and left Mrs. Burnham with a gunshot wound in her thigh. The eight suspects sat silently during her three-hour testimony, separated from her by a wooden grill. They face the death sentence if found guilty of kidnapping for ransom. The trial began this year and is not expected to end for several months.

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Isn't this a bit outdated? -- Boracay Bill (talk) 15:47, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Accuracy of Burnham story

I edited the article, which said Martin and Gracia and the others were kidnapped from "Amanpulo" resort on the "southern coast" of Palawan. That statement was inaccurate in several repects. The kidnapping took place at "Dos Palmas" resort which is in Honda Bay just to the north of Puerto Princesa City on the east side of CENTRAL Palawan. Amanpulo is a resort in the Cuyo islands group to the NORTH of Palawan, not to the "south" nor or the "coast." Even one of the Timeline entries had this correct, giving Dos Palmas as the site of the kidnapping. This is just a little more detail on the changes I made, as there was not much room in the field given for explanation of edits.

-a friend of Martin and Gracia

[edit] February 2008 Activity Needs An External Link or Citation

I think an external link or a source that indicates that there was a failed assassination on Arroyo could strengthen the credibility of this part of the timeline. --DavidD4scnrt (talk) 06:59, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What the hell?

First of all i want to say that i love my country (The Philippines) very much. And second of all i have nothing against regular muslims living regular lives. What i do have concern of is the other muslim people who are in groups such as the abu sayyaf and al-qaeda (which is now also in the Philippines!).

I absolutely hate those muslims, who think it is okay to kill people, rape people etc. Basically making people's lives hell. It is absolutely disgusting o think that all arpund the world, there are people like them causing turmoil, and for what? What exactly to they do that for? Do they fight for respect?! If yes, i absolutely do not repect those people. I'd spit in there faces! Other muslims, i'm sure, would do the same since these monsters are giving Islam a bad name. Do they fight for rights? Nope. I'm sure they have the same rights as other people. What the hell do they do it for? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Markedno1 (talk • contribs) 06:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Chee, let's see here... maybe they're doing it to fight hundreds of years of exploitation and imperialism. Don't get me wrong, it's all bad. But there's always a reason. --DavidD4scnrt (talk) 09:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Journalists abducted since 2000

I added this:ABS-CBN Broadcasting Corporation/Newsbreak’s reported that Abu Sayyaf abducted at least 20 journalists since 2000 (mostly foreign journalists), and all of them were eventually released upon payment of ransom. Ces Drilon and cameramen Jimmy Encarnacion and Angelo Valderama were the latest of its kidnap victims. The journalists held captive, inter alia, were: GMA-7 television reporter Susan Enriquez (April 2000, Basilan, a few days); 10 Foreign journalists (7 German, 1 French, 1 Australian, and 1 Danish, on May 2000, Jolo, for 10 hours); German Andreas Lorenz of the magazine Der Spiegel (July 2000, Jolo, for 25 days; he was also kidnapped in May); French television reporter Maryse Burgot, and cameraman Jean-Jacques Le Garrec and sound technician Roland Madura (July 2000, Jolo, for 2 months); ABS-CBN television reporter Maan Macapagal and cameraman Val Cuenca (July 2000, Jolo, for 4 days); Philippine Daily Inquirer contributor and Net 25 television reporter Arlyn de la Cruz(January 2002, Zamboanga, for 3 months); and GMA-7 television reporter Carlo Lorenzo and cameraman Gilbert Ordiales (September 2002, Jolo, for 6 days).abs-cbnnews.com, Abu Sayyaf abducted 20 journalists since 2000--Florentino floro (talk) 06:28, 11 June 2008 (UTC)