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Contents 1 Supergroup? 2 Genre? 3 introduction 4 The Mysterious "Acoustica" album 4.1 Acoustica 5 End of the Group 6 The Logo 7 Constantine Soundtrack 8 The Runes Font 9 The Hollow video 10 Changing "was" to "is" 11 "...wheelchair-bound." 12 Unspecified source for Image:A Perfect Circle - eMOTIVe.jpg 13 Fair use rationale for Image:A Perfect Circle - eMOTIVe.jpg 14 Unspecified source for Image:A Perfect Circle - Mer de Noms.jpg 15 Fair use rationale for Image:A Perfect Circle - Mer de Noms.jpg 16 Fair use rationale for Image:APC Logo.png 17 Fair use rationale for Image:Apc2003promo.jpg

[edit] Supergroup?

I feel APC is a supergroup, because it has many famous musicians from other bands. Any thoughts?--sin-man 06:19, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Me too.... This Group is an excellent project of lyrics, sound and artists !!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.250.137.49 (talk) 04:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Genre?

this may be just my opinion, but A Perfect Circle is not progressive rock...

I agree. I had once changed it but was reverted so I left it. I'm not sure how I would desribe them... dark rock perhaps? MrHate 00:41, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

nowadays, I find very difficult to describe their genre... I mean... through all the changes from mer de noms, to emotive... damn... I usallay just refer to them as modern rock

Modern Rock sounds ok to me, and I definitely agree that it's not progressive. hellboy 00:15, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Maybe Alternative or Hard Rock?

APC is just a heavy rock band with progressive influences, much like their brothers in Tool

personally i don't see any progressive influences besides possibly in "The Package".. Mwhale 13:47, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

They've definitely changed styles over their albums. You could say they were alternative with some post-metal, progressive, and industrial (mainly in eMotive) influences. -CW Werio 23:18, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

I would not take their last album too seriously. Rather than an experimental work it was obviously made to fill their contract quickly. Much of the sound scene is re-using the earlier albums' solutions. Musically, though, eMotive is high quality, but not due to work effort but talent.

Personally, I like to throw them in that ambiguous Alternative Metal genre, its not alt rock though it is alternative, its not metal though it is heavy. Its definitely in between them for me, so it works out even if they aren't from the late 80's/early 90's. marnues 08:32, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

This is the best definition in my opinion, too.

Please scroll past the following paragraph if you get squeamish when you see references to Jesus

If you examine some of the slower, atmospheric APC songs such as Orestes, Brena, and even some faster songs such as Judith, you can pick up some religious undertones in the actual instrumentation itself!! Take the main riff from Judith for example. The first time I heard the song, before the singing actually started, the first images that the riff gave to me were that of anti-jesus and religion. The riff feels like a sharp blade, perhaps one that could be used to "*@$@ your god, your lord, your christ". In Orestes, the neapolitan harmonies are reminiscent of sorrowful 18th century secular and anti-secular music. So IMHO, the music should be classified as Secular Rock.

Lr Alpha M 23:08, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] introduction

The last sentence in the introductory paragraph requires revision to clarify the intended meaning. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.38.180.9 (talk • contribs).

I personally think that the last sentence sounds more like a rumor than the actual truth. If it is true, please add citation. Also, I think that it is misplaced information. The sentence should be placed in a different section.Lecks101 19:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Mysterious "Acoustica" album

Does anyone happen to have information on this thing? It began appearing on various Torrent sites, and has since been spreading around the internet; despite hours of searching, I can't seem to find any definitive source on it. Some tracks appear to be demos, others live performances, and in a few cases live performances of what appears to be working versions of the song ("The Hollow" for instance, is obviously a live track, yet uses a piano and features some other minor alterations).

Anyone have any idea where this came from?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aganar (talk • contribs).

Well it obviously is a collection of bootlegged performances no? You could ask the uploader of the torrent about the source and other details if they haven't provided it in the archive details.. --Johnnyw talk 14:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The three acoustic songs (The Hollow, Sleeping Beauty and Three Libraes) were released as singles with Tool's Lateralus. There is a version of these songs that is a bootleg, but if you bought Lateralus on the day it came out, you would get a free APC single with it. (I don't remember where I read this...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.125.233.49 (talk) 19:41, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Acoustica

I have a copy of Acoustica on my computer! I also have APC's version of Ashes To Ashes by David Bowie, and their version of Diary Of A Madman/Lovesong by Ozzy Osbourne and The Cure. Anybody who calls themselves an APC fan has to hear them - Pure Excellence! Tool-apc (talk) 18:17, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] End of the Group

The only thing which I can find that says anythign to the effect of APC being done is that French interview with Maynard. Are there any other sources for this? I'm going to revert the section that talks about it to re-add the "thinks" part since the direct quotes from the itnerview contain that exact word. I wish we had a better source than the one present, but since its all from a French magazine, its difficult to do better. However, if no other sources are mentioned I'm going to change the artciel to show that they are not over yet. It is not the place for wikipedia to speculate. They shouldn't have a disbanded date until they are officially disbanded. marnues 22:30, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

On May 12, 2008 I received an email attributed to M J Keenan to subscribes to the Puscifer website that reads:

Hello, APC fans. As many of you may have heard, Billy and I are engaged in our own little projects for the moment. ....promotional text snipped out .... Please be advised that A Perfect Circle and Tool are still alive and well. This is simply MORE. Because as you know, MORE IS BETTER. ALWAYS. God bless America. Peace, M J Keenan

I'm not sure if this belongs somewhere in the "end of the group section" or how to cite it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.222.237.43 (talk) 15:24, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Logo

"The APC logo is a slightly rotated 3D representation of a perfect circle. light is coming from the left side, illuminating the outer left surface and inner right surface."

I don't get it. --Macarion 06:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Me neither, the explanation directly above that item in the trivia section that includes an illustration is far more comprehensive. I'll remove it now, since we don't need two items trying to explain the same thing.. --Johnnyw talk 12:44, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

The Logo is in fact the cresents formed from looking at a ring at a slight left angle. The tips of the juxtaposed cresents are too far apart to be made from the 4 overlapping circles. It is not a matter of what one thinks. It really is a ring. Lecks101 12:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

It is a ring, you just have to look at it the right way. I came to the realization staring at the cover of thirteenth step not long after it came out, and since then it's hard to not see it.65.43.210.170 18:50, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Constantine Soundtrack

Should the Constantine soundtrack really be placed under 'compilations'? I've checked the track listing for Constantine, and Passive is not listed. Perhaps Passive was just used as a promotional song for the movie or something?

It was playing in the scene when keano went into the club after guessing what was on the card.

[edit] The Runes Font

We all know that the Mer de Noms coverart actually has meaning. La Cascade Des Prenoms. I think that the code should be deciphered for the wikipedia page. Also, if anyone has the ability to make a link to download the font, it would be great. http://serenity362.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/apc_runes_01.jpg The link here is to a picture decoding the symbols.

no the link takes you to an image that says "image hosted by tripod" i'd love to see the pic you're talking about though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.255.229.13 (talk) 21:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

• Here is a picture of the APC Runes font - http://serenity362.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/apc_runes_01.jpg

The picture decoding the font is on the Mer de Noms article.65.43.210.170 18:53, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Hollow video

I removed this line:

The music video for The Hollow, the first track of Mer de Noms, was cancelled during production and only a CD single exists of this track.

There IS a music video for The Hollow. It wasn't included on aMOTION and was one of those videos that is a whole bunch of live footage with the album version of the song dubbed over the top. It was plastered all over TV when the single came out. Not a "scripted" video, but it was at least released by their record co. so this line should be altered somewhat to reflect that there is at least a "budget video" :) MrHate 01:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Changing "was" to "is"

I have no idea why anons keep changing "A Perfect Circle was" back to "A Perfect Circle is" on the first paragraph of this article. "A Perfect Circle was" is correct, don't believe me, read part of the hiatus section. Their singer Maynard James Keenan told French magazine Rock Hard that the band is over for the forseeable future and guitarist Billy Howerdel also told MTV that he has no idea what the band's future will be. This is the reason why I left this warning: "Note: Please do not change this back to "is". The singer Maynard James Keenan has said that the band is over for now, which means that it should be "was" not "is"." Alex 17:31, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The band has not officially broken up. What those quotes tell us is that band does not intend to record anything new for now, that's a far cry from being "broken up." A Perfect Circle is and always was something of a side project for each of the members involved, it is perfectly understandable that due to their other commitments, they aren't available to record another album together yet. This does NOT mean that they are broken up.

The next time an A Perfect Circle album comes out, would you then change the Tool article to "was" simply?

A "hiatus" is simply a hiatus. The article should not be changed to "was" unless the group decides to officially break up for good.

67.183.178.171 21:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the warning. But sorry anon, but "was" on this article is correct. Some members of the band claim that the band is done for this time. And no, I wouldn't change "was" to the Tool article if A Perfect Circle ever comes back. Read part of the weblinks I list above otherwise please don't keep changing "was" back to "is". If you revert one more time, I have no choice but to report you for vandalism (especially when you violate the three revert rule). Alex 22:21, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

They have only said that they don't have any project lined up currently, this is NOT the same as being broken up. They could release another album in 1 year or in 6 years and it would still be the same. They aren't obligated to release every 2 years or so. It isn't your place to state it as a fact that the band has broken up simply because they haven't done anything in the last two years. 67.183.178.171 08:03, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

System of a Down is also on Hiatus, and Serj has also said that they have a uncertain future, but should their article be in the past tense as well? FinalWish 19:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

http://media.putfile.com/Maynard-James-Keenan-interview-WBC-10-29-2007 says about 7:30 to 8:00 in that APC is definitely going to come back. 68.255.251.214 21:26, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

As I said before, let's leave it as "was" until further notice. Alex 22:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

why? that's just retarded. that interview was done within the last month and maynard straight up says that him and billy are doing solo albums right now but that APC will definitely be back in the future. isn't that good enough? last time i checked the rationale for stating that the band is over was another interview maynard gave awhile ago, so it stands to reason that a more recent interview should be a good enough source to change it to "is". besides the article already states that the band is on "hiatus" so if you're going to insist that we leave it as "apc was a band", you had better remove tha part about them being on hiatus, as hiatus means "a break or pause" not "done forever".68.252.94.153 20:10, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Read the "hiatus" section, and WTF do you mean the idea to leave it as "was" is retarded? One of the reasons why I (or anyone else) should do that is they're not touring, writing new material or anything, they're just not active right now, but I wasn't trying to say they're "done forever". Maynard is still involved with Tool, Billy is still on his solo career, James Iha has been working on a news olo album, Danny Lohner is currently touring with Maynard's new project Puscifer, Jeordie White is currently on tour with Nine Inch Nails and Josh Freese is currently doing drum tracks for upcoming albums, including The Offspring's upcoming album. As I said before, it should be "was" for now until any other member besides Maynard and Billy confirms the reunion or whatever. See blink-182's article, they're also on hiatus and their article uses "was", but does that make you think you could change their article as "is" as well? Alex 01:29, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

so earlier you stated that if tool went on hiatus you would not change their article to "was" a band, but now you're saying that the apc article should be changed to "was" because the band is on hiatus? that's not very consistent. and you're argument about blink 182 doesn't work. the band members have made statements about the band being broken up and towards the end of their article it even says that one of them is going to make a documentary about the final days of the band. whereas with apc, you said yourself that Maynard said "over for the forseeable future" and Billy said that he "has no idea what the band's future will be". i dunno how you look at those two quotes and say "well the band must be broken up for good then". when you type that APC "was" a band. it means that they are no longer together and probably won't get back together in the future. do yourself a favor and listen to the interview i posted the link to. i know it can be hard to admit that you're wrong, but that's part of life.68.252.94.153 19:41, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree completely, APC are not officially over. Also Alex, you state that Danny Lohner is touring with Puscifer. Well, Puscifer are not currently touring, never have toured and in fact have no plans in the foreseeable future to tour according to the Puscifer site, and the wikipedia entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark wounds (talk • contribs) 16:10, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "...wheelchair-bound."

In the description of Judith Marie under the trivia section, this phrase is used. The choice of words here is unfortunate; many people consider the term offensive. A more acceptable phrase might be "wheelchair user".

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