Disputatio Usoris:Hendricus

E Vicipaedia

Salve, Hendrice!

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--Ioscius (disp) 14:12, 21 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for welcoming me, i'm not good at reading Latin, so i hope when there are questions you can asked them in English or my own language Dutch. I'm looking forwarth to contribute within the section of Biology, and i will start working with mollusca and gastropoda. At the moment i'm trying to find out what's already there and where to start, and how the category structure has been made. I think i start with building up the taxonomy tree, and lists of species, Hendricus 14:19, 21 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, sure, English is fine. I don't speak a bit of Dutch, though, and I'm not sure if anyone else does, either...--Ioscius ^(disp) 14:46, 21 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

Index 1 interwiki's 2 abbreviation 3 word of encouragement 4 classes 5 Grade 6 Erinaceus 7 Headings 8 animalium soni 9 Prosobothiiae 10 De categoriis 11 Interwiki 12 Biologistae 13 untraslated biographies 14 Ernestus Haeckel - what do you think of it 15 Dates 16 what a good job 17 Bio(biblio)graphia 18 == Cape York peninsula == 19 Reversed name redirects 20 Medieval Latin names 21 Single name redirects 22 New pages 23 translation of new categories 24 I give 25 parasitologia 26 Interwiki links 27 minor comment about format 28 Biology 29 Nederlandia 30 Commons 31 of course Nexus externi non externia 32 Type locality: Australia, Northern Territory, Port Essington 33 Anselme Gaëtan Desmarest 34 Categories 35 Genitive plural= 36 Categories 37 Word order 38 (non-)stipulae 39 Biographies 40 pagina structure biographies 41 Academies 42 Hortus Plantarum (Lutetia) 43 New categories 44 Perhaps you are 45 French scientists

[recensere] interwiki's

Hendrice: at the bottom of the commentarium Orthogastropoda, I've added links to the other wikis; if you can do the same when you create new pages here, that will be helpful. In fact, one way to ease your work, especially with tables, lists, and the like, is to go to the English wiki, and simply paste its material into Vicipaedia, changing English words to Latin words as necessary (for example, family to familia, and order to ordo, and so on). An excellent beginning! IacobusAmor 16:44, 21 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

• Hi thanks, i was that just doing so from the wikispecies, only there are some differences between species and the english pedia, i was just puzzling that out, in some wikipedia's there is a litle template for pointing to wikispecies, do we have something like that? Hendricus 17:57, 21 Octobris 2007 (UTC)
  • I think i just stop puzzling and follow wikispecies, that's why they here for - right? Hendricus 18:04, 21 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

{{Vicispecies}}. Greetings, --UV 23:35, 21 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

• Ok, thanks, Hendricus 15:05, 22 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

I saw your question to Massimo. The abbreviation for Latin is la: So, once you have added our page to one of the much-used Wikis (such as English), and pasted the interwikis from that page to ours, that's it: the bots will do the rest, all across the wikispectrum! Andrew Dalby 12:00, 23 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

Ok, in that case i will add some at the english, french, german and dutch, some groups i've been working befor, after that they checkout new pages themselves? Hendricus 12:02, 23 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] abbreviation

Dear Hendricus,

our abbreviation is la, for example for this new page la:Antonius Caldara. Ciao --Massimo Macconi 13:13, 23 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, i've found it, Hendricus 13:17, 23 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] word of encouragement

I haven't kept too close a track on the actual content of your articles, but your effort is absolutely prodigious!!! Macte virtute, and keep up the good work!--Ioscius ^(disp) 13:27, 24 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you, let's hope someone step in to add some tekst with it, Hendricus 13:29, 24 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] classes

Verbum classes est plurale; singulare est classis. IacobusAmor 11:18, 27 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

• Your right, that's because i read a list of names with ones mentioned classes at the beginning, because i wright the names as a list and starting each line with the groupname, it should be singled: classis, Hendricus 11:22, 27 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Grade

Grade is English; Latin is gradus (and subgradus). Cheers. IacobusAmor 11:59, 27 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

• ...Ok, sorry, Hendricus 12:01, 27 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Erinaceus

Salve Hendrice. Mi congratulations for your incredible work here on biology. May I ask you if the next one you do can be on the genus erinaceus? I have been followed by hedgehogs these last nights around my college's grounds and I feel inspired to write the page on Erinaceus europaeus. Cheers!--Xaverius 18:58, 30 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

• I'll try my best, Hendricus 19:19, 30 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Headings

Hendrice, headings should be grammatical, but at the moment, yours aren't. For example, Systema taxinomia Taenia was 'the system the taxinomy the Taenia'. For 'taxonomic system', you want (as Fabullus points out elsewhere) systema taxinomicum. Then you'll want to put the animal name in the genitive plural case. Taenia appears to be feminine, so its genitive plural is Taeniarum, making the whole heading Systema taxinomicum Taeniarum 'the taxonomic system of the taenias'. The correct form of the genitive plural of many of these names isn't obvious, as the Latin will often borrow the form that it would have in Greek, if only it were in Greek. IacobusAmor 19:43, 30 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

• Ok, I'll think about that, and use it in future articles, if you like to help me with correcting this in the exsisting articles and correct classes into classis, thanks, Hendricus 19:51, 30 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

I think it's better if you don't try to put a genitive after the header. It is easier for everybody if you just have the header Systema taxnomicum (not -on), I think. Then the list can come below. Harrissimo.

• Maybe your right, Hendricus 21:38, 30 Octobris 2007 (UTC)
  • That is - if you mean: Systema taxonomicum, Hendricus 21:41, 30 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

Apparently, the noun is taxinomia (not taxonomia) and its derivatives will accordingly use the stem taxinomi-. There's a discussion of this in Taberna or somewhere. IacobusAmor 21:53, 30 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

I think - i'm going to need a vacation, Hendricus 21:56, 30 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

Hendrice, just to clarify, please use as your header above the classification only Systema taxonomicum. Harrissimo.

• I'm getting enough of this, Hendricus 20:37, 31 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I don't want to scare you away or anything it's just that the header name Systema Taxonomium XYZae doesn't actually mean anything. If you use Systema taxonomicum it's quicker for you and makes sense to me. Harrissimo.

Let's call it: Systema taxinomicum Animalium then,
by the way what's Latin for scientific author and year of approval?? Hendricus 20:48, 31 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

I'd say for the first one Author scientificus and annus approbationis for year of approval. When you say animalium do you mean genitive singular? that would be animalis (sorry if I'm overdoing you again - that is just why systema taxonomicum would be easier. 8 letters shorter too). Harrissimo.

Or rather, Auctor scientificus. You can link this term on each page if you like, and I will do an article to make the redlink blue. Andrew Dalby 10:06, 1 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

• Ok, thanks, Hendricus 16:20, 1 Novembris 2007 (UTC)
• Not my idea: Species Animalium, Hendricus 21:58, 31 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

Animalium is gen. plu. (meaning "of animals"). Due to VP:CAT, we have plural category names. No offcence, but maybe you should have a look at [1] (ignoring the complicated greek noun tables). Harrissimo.

• I will have a look at it, Hendricus 16:20, 1 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

I would recommend to drop the 'scientificus' (which is not a classical word; I guess the classical equivalent would be 'doctus') and just use 'auctor' for 'scientific author'.--Ceylon 20:24, 7 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

[recensere] animalium soni

Why categoria biologia instead of animalia? Biologia is a parent category of animalia...--Ioscius ^(disp) 22:32, 30 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

I'll try to get only the names of animal groupes into category animalia, other subjects can go to biologia or zoologia, i was just thinking to remove all sub categies between animalia (higher groupnames) as well and creating subcats by phylum, there are about 30 phylums, it's not to much, Hendricus 22:38, 30 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

Wel, here I think an exception is warranted... fungi, plantae, bacteria, etc don't make sounds... The page is animalium soni, not biologiae soni. What do you think?--Ioscius ^(disp) 05:26, 31 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

I think you're right, it's an object of research about animals, it should be in categoria zoologica: Hendricus 16:13, 31 Octobris 2007 (UTC)

If anything, it's an object of research about human speech, and should therefore be in "categoria linguistica" (or whatever). Cows go moo only in the human imagination. IacobusAmor 16:58, 1 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Meeuoooo, Hendricus 17:02, 1 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

It's in both animalia and linguistica, for the record.--Ioscius ^(disp) 17:02, 1 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

OK. IacobusAmor 17:03, 1 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Categoria:Animalia is a collection of article titles about animals, "groupnames", Zoologi(c)a is about studying en science "human doings and observations about animals", , that's my opinion ofcourse, Hendricus 17:09, 1 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

All I'm saying is I'd like someone to be able to browse through Categoria:Animalia and see Animalium soni. Perhaps we should do both? Maybe we should put a ! in the category so it's not listed with all the actual animals?

By the way, what is the deal with the members of Categoria:Animalia which are italicized?--Ioscius ^(disp) 01:50, 2 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

• Hi, the italicized members in the category is a redirect, if someone is brewsing the category he's able to see a complete index of groupenames, the redirects are synonyms or "old" names, Hendricus 16:13, 2 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Prosobothiiae

Hendrice, I corrected the above family name because it looked wrong; checking Google, the correct form seemed to be Prosobothriidae so I have moved the page to there. However, I now see that this page and the related page for Prosobothrium have a different structure around the family level. You might want to look at this and make them consistent? Best wishes Andrew Dalby 15:14, 4 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

• Ok, thanks i'll take a look at it, Hendricus 15:16, 4 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] De categoriis

Hi again, Hendrice! I would just please like to ask you to do your research before you create a category name. I see that your latin is "worse tot worse", so maybe you should use a dictionary (like this) when naming these categories. Mineralii is not a latin word, it is mineralia in the nom. and acc. plural. It is only one letter, but this huge backlog of categories you have made (and which I commend you for) needs a lot of work; I have already had to change the category names and place delendas onto the pages. So, please, I appreciate you have a lot of brilliant work you are doing here, but make sure you use the right latin and save everybody a lot of work. And as I have said before, you can always ask if in doubt about anything! TTFN! Harrissimo.

• So sorry, i was convinced mineralii was the right word for it, it's even in my book called that way, maybe to Italianic??Hendricus 19:46, 5 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

You're OK... I didn't mean to be agressive or anything. From google, it looks like mineralii could be Italian. It can't be latin though, there being no such thing as a mineralius. Harrissimo.

Thank god there are only 19 mineral articles, (have you seen the english category??) there's so much work to do - animals, plants, fossils, minerals - i can't offer much tekst but i can do a lot of structural work, (and learning my Latin in the meantime), Hendricus 19:56, 5 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Interwiki

I continue to be amazed by your energy, Hendrice. Vicipaedia is growing ever faster.

I added interwiki links to Dasylurinja -- Spanish and Maltese! I'll explain how I found them. I, like you, sometimes create articles about things that only occur in strange and unpredictable wikipedias. So I created a Google search for myself that searches only the European Wikipedias (well, nearly all of them). If there is an article with this precise name in any European language, it shows up high in the results. You can use it too if you like! Try [2]. Andrew Dalby 13:20, 7 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks for th etip, i'll try that search engin, Hendricus 16:13, 7 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

I have made some changes to the Latin in Thylacinus. Usefully, I hope. Notice the Latin forms Legio (not Legion) and Cohors (not Cohort). Andrew Dalby 20:49, 7 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Right, i just discovered, thanks, great, Hendricus 20:52, 7 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Biologistae

Hoi Hendrik, ik zag dat je in jouw artikel over de bioloog Ioannes Gould verwijst naar de nog niet bestaande Categoria:Biologistae. Ik heb de verwijzing veranderd in Categoria:Biologi, die wel reeds bestaat. Op dezelfde manier moet Categoria:Ornithologistae zijn Categoria:Ornithologi (nog niet bestaand). Als je elders ook naar deze categorieën (of andere categorieeën met -logistae) verwezen hebt, wil je die misschien zelf wijzigen volgens mijn voorbeeld. Overigens mijn complimenten voor je onvermoeibare arbeid! Groeten, --Fabullus 13:00, 10 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

• Hoi, Fabullus, dank voor je compliment, ik had de categoriën juist rood gelaten omdat ik de juiste spelling niet wist, bedankt voor je voorbeeld, deze zal ik zeker volgen, Hendricus 18:29, 10 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] untraslated biographies

Dear Hendricus, first I wish to thank you for your incredible work.

I understand and share your target to enrich la.wiki, but the opening of a lot of untranslating pages doesn't make sense. The users of la.wiki are actually very few and we can't translate a lot of new pages. Therefore I beg you please to insert already in Latin at least the name, birth and death dates and activity of the person. If you desire to suggest new pages, you can rather use the taberna page. Thank you and ciao--Massimo Macconi 07:26, 11 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

• Goodmorning Massimo, i've added some authors in english because i'm not shure how to translate them in a correct way, the few (most known) i've added yesterday i like to use as an example so i will be able to add new ones in a correct way, Hendricus 09:27, 11 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Ok. I suggest you to copy the scheme followed for other biographies. Now we have a lot of them, therefore I believe it's possible to find the correct Latin words and sentence structures. If you need some help, ask me. Ciao --Massimo Macconi 09:39, 11 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, i will, Hendricus 09:42, 11 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Another possible trick -- after inserting the most basic details in Latin, as Massimo suggests -- is to include some additional info in English, but between comment marks, thus:

<!-- Example -->

This text will be visible in the editing screen, but not to readers. Signal it on the Taberna, and then you and Massimo and I and others will know that it needs translating into Latin. But yes, as Massimo says, we are few and our time is limited!

However, it is really good to see some of these scientists etc. arriving in Vicipaedia. Andrew Dalby 10:11, 11 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

I'll do that, altough much information can be found on the English project and even the external links, Hendricus 10:18, 11 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Ernestus Haeckel - what do you think of it

Ernestus Haeckel - For the date genitive therefore 11 Augusti. For a lot of towns you'll find that there's already a Latin page. Try inserting the name, for istance Potsdam and then click on quaerere you'll see that we've already the page Potestampium. I would not insert non translated links and notes. Ciao--Massimo Macconi 21:10, 11 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Dates

To confirm any date name, do this: go to Mensis, click on the month name, then click on the date you want on the calendar. We have pages for all dates in the year. Andrew Dalby 17:00, 12 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] what a good job

I have seen your last new pages. Tey're very good. Ciao--Massimo Macconi 17:29, 12 Novembris 2007 (UTC)--85.0.92.89 17:25, 12 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you, i'm starting to get the hang of it, Hendricus 19:00, 12 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Bio(biblio)graphia

Keep in mind the distinction, Hendrice, even if librarians like me sometimes forget it: Biographia is life, Bibliographia is books! Andrew Dalby 18:02, 13 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

• You're right ofcourse, just a writers mistake, Hendricus 18:06, 13 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

I replied to your query on my own talk page.

But I forgot one very important example ... I guess "Biologi Nederlandici", or if your personal preference is for "Biologi Hollandici" I doubt if anyone would object! Andrew Dalby 19:01, 13 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

categoria:Biologi Hollandici i think, Hendricus 19:12, 13 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] == Cape York peninsula ==

Goodevening Massimo, How do i translate Cape York Peninsula (North Australia) ??Hendricus 20:01, 13 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

I would translate: Promontorium Paeninsulae Eboraci (Australia septemptrionalis)Massimo Macconi 20:06, 13 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Reversed name redirects

For example, Sowerby, G. B. III. Hendrice, we've never had these before and I don't see the point of them. Unless you want to make a special case, our usual way would be to have a redirect from the straight form (e.g. G. B. Sowerby III) -- if you think people will look for it -- and to have a discretiva page at Sowerby.

If a reversed name appears in a bibliography (for example) you can make a link straight to the real name using the pipe trick (e.g. [[Georgius Brettingham Sowerby III|Sowerby, G. B. III]]). Does that help? Andrew Dalby 22:46, 15 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Andrew, i wanted to use these abbrevations to add to speciesname, like: Helcion (Ansates) (Sowerby, G. B. II 1837) without having to type the whole name every time, Hendricus 22:57, 15 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

But it's the same to me if you prefer the initials befor the surname, Hendricus 23:01, 15 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I see now. Well, in this case I think you should wherever possible use the exact form that is prescribed by the zoological nomenclature people. It is important to be exact, because only the exact names are official. Well, they don't usually use initials (only occasionally). I have just looked at Index nominum zoologorum for these people (and I have checked again Wikipedia:WikiProjekt Lebewesen/Liste von Zoologen nach Autorenkürzeln from which I took that list). For your three Sowerbys they give simply Sowerby I, Sowerby II and Sowerby III. So in the taxobox you should type [[Helcion (Ansates)|]] ([[Sowerby II]], [[1837]]), which gives the appearance Helcion (Sowerby II, 1837). Then you make a link, as you suggest, from Sowerby II to Georgius Brettingham Sowerby II. That's what I think, anyway. Andrew Dalby 00:05, 16 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

• We must use the official abbrevation, i look into that, thanks, (btw there are six Sowerby's)Hendricus 16:11, 16 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Medieval Latin names

are different, Hendrice! before moving Conradus de Montepuellarum you should have checked (e.g. Google). It is well attested. Andrew Dalby 00:15, 16 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Single name redirects

I argued for Gould as a redirect, but you are demonstrating how wrong I was, Hendrice. You can't assume you know other people's interests. How can you possibly say no one will want to look for Darwin, Australia? It is very unwise to rely on single name redirects like that, because someone is sure to turn them into discretiva pages soon: and when they do that, all the links you have made to them on biological pages will have to be changed. So it's much better to get the links right in the first place. They need to be in this form: ([[Carolus Darwin|Darwin]], producing a link direct to Carolus Darwin). Don't expect those single name redirects to stay as they are. Andrew Dalby 21:04, 16 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

• You're right, i will write the names with initials like i've done with Gray and Sowerby as far as possible, keeping the official list, Hendricus 21:10, 16 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I do suspect you are trying to do too many different things too fast. I see you have put those redirects into a category. We don't normally put redirects in categories, because the usual purpose of categories is to lead users directly to articles. And the category name is bad Latin. I have to delete the category (because categories can't be moved). Andrew Dalby 21:18, 16 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

• Then how do you like to call it, it's meant to give a overvieuw of those subscribed, Hendricus 21:23, 16 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Surely they are in Categoria:Biologi. What's the difference? Andrew Dalby 22:07, 16 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

No not in categoria biologici but in scientia (scientists), Hendricus 10:46, 17 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Well, fine. First of all, don't categorize redirects. Just categorize the real articles.

Second, all categories are meant to give an overview of those included.

Third, the articles are not about names. They are about people. So why do want a category for "nomina" (names) of certain people? It still makes no sense at all to me. But if there is a reason, the word for names is "nomina", plural of "nomen". Andrew Dalby 11:14, 17 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

It's suppose to give an overvieuw according to names (see the list (Index) about Zoologici and Botanici, thus names, the articles are already mentioned in the category structure about the science itself and the structure according to country, Hendricus 11:18, 17 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Another possibillity is to translate the lists, so we can use it for a general overvieuw, in that case i realy prefer to create "one" list with botanici, zoologici, geologici and mineralogi - with their official abbrevation, instead of four - not even half translated lists, it's a bit of a mess just now, sorry to say it, Hendricus 11:23, 17 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

OK, but don't change what you don't understand. The reason for keeping botanist abbreviations separate from zoologist names is that the rules are different: for example, it's L. for plants but Linnaeus for animals. This is why other wikipedias have separate lists as well. As for geologists and mineralogists, I don't know about the rules for those. Andrew Dalby 11:56, 17 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

I'l be happy enough with four lists as long they got translated properly, Hendricus 12:36, 17 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

And I'd be very happy if we worked on that. I have never yet had time. The language aspect is a mess, you're quite right. Andrew Dalby 13:00, 17 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

My translation stops with a few names, i'm not up to a list of that proporsion, i will try but there be a lot of faults in it, Hendricus 13:09, 17 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Yes, they are very long lists. Maybe I can do some of it by exporting into Word and making global changes. I suggest, leave those two lists with me for a day or two and I'll have a try!

Meanwhile, if you want, what about lists of mineralogists and geologists? We have none yet, I think. Separate or together, whatever seems best.

Eventually, you know, all the lists could be combined if we wanted -- e.g., by exporting them to a WP program and sorting them alphabetically. But let's get them right first. Andrew Dalby 13:30, 17 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

You'r right, i wish you luck with it, i was wandering about the category of medici i like to split it up according to the biologiststructure, maybe its wise to see the medicine as part of biology, most of it subjects are about anatomy and studying medicalherbs, most of historian medici are known as botanists as well, so i think medicine is a part of biology, what do you think? Hendricus 13:38, 17 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

I think medicine is significantly different because it is not just about the biology but about the means of healing. So it is a technology as well as a science. I think I would treat it as separate from biology. But others may disagree ...

Notice that after "Scientiae periti ..." you need a national adjective, one of the same ones I listed for you, like "Francici, Germanici, etc." ("French, German, etc.") You can't just use the country name. Andrew Dalby 14:53, 17 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

• You'r right ofcourse, i shall place them as well in biologi secundum civitatem ( > biologi > biologia) as well in medici secundum civitatem ( > medici > medicina), and both in Scientiae periti <country> wich will be split in scientiae periti ( > Scientia ) and > country., Hendricus 15:01, 17 Novembris 2007 (UTC)
• BTW, what about Russia ? will this be Rusii or Russici??Hendricus 15:01, 17 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] New pages

Dear Hendricus,

all users check the new pages but there's not a regular control. I suggest you to ask Ioshus, Alex1011, Iacobus Amor aut UV (I believe they have the better knowledge of the language) to check some of your pages and thne use the corrected ones as model.--Massimo Macconi 19:30, 19 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, altough the corrections are (i think) not that complicated, Hendricus 19:41, 19 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] translation of new categories

It seems a correct translation but my Latin is very poor. I would suggest you to ask also the opinion of somebody else. Ciao--Massimo Macconi 18:36, 22 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

• Ok, thanks, i've used the Linnean society as example, but i was doubting about; Zoologiae and Entomologiae, Hendricus 18:41, 22 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

==Categoria:Correction needed

[recensere] I give

a Latin name categoria:Emendationes necessariae to your new category--Massimo Macconi 19:43, 23 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

• Ok, Thanks, altough i hope it stays empty, Hendricus 19:45, 23 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

I thought it was best to incorporate your system into our established method for marking pages to be improved. So I have made you a new formula {{L-1}}. This will add pages to your so-called "bucket" and also to our Latinitas grading.

So, please don't add the category Categoria:Emendationes necessariae to a page; instead, add at the beginning of the text the formula {{L-1}}. You will find that these pages will appear in your category automatically. When anyone has corrected your page, they will change the formula to {{L1}} and the page will be listed as a correct one instead! Andrew Dalby 13:55, 24 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Ok that's great, thanks, Hendricus 13:58, 24 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

PS: I have corrected (I think) Parantechinus apicalis. Andrew Dalby 13:59, 24 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Ok great, so Eastern Australia becomes Australiana occidentalis - i can use that, thanks, Hendricus 14:01, 24 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

I thought the article said western: that equates to "occidentalis". Eastern is "orientalis". (These are 3rd declension adjectives.) Correct the article, please, if I misread it. Andrew Dalby 15:01, 24 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

You're right - it was west, Hendricus 15:10, 24 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Remember to make it {{L-1}}. The - (minus) is important. {{L1}} is for pages that another editor (a Latinist, hopefully) has corrected or approved. Andrew Dalby 21:30, 24 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Ok, didn't see the differance befor, i will from now, Hendricus 21:49, 24 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

• Phascogale tapoatafa >> so what become of north and south ?? Hendricus 14:02, 24 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] parasitologia

Meliusne?--Ioscius ^(disp) 13:31, 24 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Yes it's quit clear this way, altough i'm doubting if this discipline of biology is only ment for studiing parasitic living species or if it's including the study about the infection deseases caused by them? Hendricus 13:52, 24 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Good point.--Ioscius ^(disp) 14:03, 24 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

I'l get back on that one, Hendricus 14:04, 24 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Well take a look, now.--Ioscius ^(disp) 14:06, 24 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

According to the English it's including the study about the infection deseases "and" fighting the intruders, so it's not only a disciplin of biologiae it's a discipline of medicinae as well, Hendricus 14:10, 24 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Interwiki links

I just edited Gulielmus Peters and Gerardus Krefft. I happened to notice that there was no interwiki link to la: on the other-language pages. For each new page of ours we have to go to one of the other-language pages (say the English or French or German page -- one of the busy ones) and add a link to our page. If we do this, the bots will do the rest. Forgive me if you knew this already ... just a reminder. Andrew Dalby 19:44, 25 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

I know, i've done so several times (with species from the marsupial group), for now i wait with placing links back to us till i've got a few (anycase articles wich are quit complete anyway, and place them myself Hendricus 19:48, 25 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

That's fine, then. No problem! Andrew Dalby 20:06, 25 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Als je te lang moet wachten, dan kun je ook even vragen of ik het door mijn bot heen wil halen. Carsrac 14:14, 10 Aprilis 2008 (UTC)

[recensere] minor comment about format

Generally we prefer to list in this order:

• Fontes/Notae
• Vide etiam
• Nexus externi

The idea is that, in an encyclopedia, sources are of primary importance. Then we want people to look within our own encyclopedia. Only lastly do we want people to resort to looking elsewhere. Does that make sense? Also check the wa y I reformatted the Healey page. Take care!!! --Ioscius ^(disp) 21:16, 26 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Ok, but you could have mensioned it 600 or so articles befor, Hendricus 21:28, 26 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Biology

Thanks for your messages, Hendrice. Three points: first, I think that as a head category for all living things you might want just Categoria:Biota. "Vita biota" doesn't make sense (to me). Second, as a category for extinct human-like creatures, my suggestion is simply Categoria:Hominidae. Maybe too obvious?! But, (a) "Homo antiqui" doesn't make sense, and (b) "Homines antiqui" (ancient men) is not accurate, because, taxonomically, Australopithecus is not Homo; but he does belong to Hominidae. If you feel you have to distinguish the extinct ones from the living one, then the answer is Categoria:Hominidae exstincti. This may look wrong, but it's OK, because Hominidae is a masculine noun and takes a masculine adjective.

Third, I suggest Categoria:Libri biologici can just remain in Categoria:Biologia. It isn't a speciality. It's "books about biology", a subset of Categoria:Libri but also relevant to Categoria:Biologia. OK? Andrew Dalby 20:17, 27 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

I now see we have had an article Vita Biota since 2004! It still makes no sense. As you see when following the link, the head category at "Systema Naturae" is simply Biota, and that's correct. Andrew Dalby 20:24, 27 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Then get the "vita" out of it, i agree with cat: Hominidae , Hendricus 20:51, 27 Novembris 2007 (UTC)

Hendrice! It's good to see you've been adding some text to your pages, have you been learning some latin? And merry christmas! Harrissimo 22:42, 24 Decembris 2007 (UTC).

I've learned some of it down the road, last few months, i've still got a lot to learn, by example to add the geological timeperiods wich should go with the exstint ones, like eocene and oligocene, but thats request a lot of new articles ofcourse, Hendricus 22:50, 24 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Nederlandia

I've already done it with Nederlandia. Ciao and merry Christmas--Massimo Macconi 16:23, 24 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, and a merry Christmas to you too -- Hendricus 16:25, 24 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Commons

I suggest you to write the formula

, so you could respect the accusative form communia multa habet quo ad + acc spectat. Nexus externi non externia. Ciao--Massimo Macconi 11:44, 28 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that i'm not used to change names to fitt in the tekst, in Dutch it's general to change the tekst according to the name, Hendricus 12:01, 28 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] of course Nexus externi non externia

I did a misstake, of course nexus externI et non externus if plural. Nexus is masculine therefore non externia--Massimo Macconi 12:20, 28 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Type locality: Australia, Northern Territory, Port Essington

Sorry, I missed it. I'm not sure if I understand what do you mean, perhaps: situs: Portus Essingtoniensis in Territorio Septemtrionalis Australiae --Massimo Macconi 13:00, 28 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

Well the type locality is the place where the species first has been collected and subscribed (type specimum) i think we can make an own lemma about it but i don't know how to translate type locality maybe something like: typo situs, ofcourse type specimum should have an article too? maybe typo specimus, besides that i think it would be fine to get the different Australian territories translated: Queensland, New South Wales, Viktoria, Northern Australia, Western Australia and Southern Australia, Hendricus 13:13, 28 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

Situs ubi animal primum inventum est--Massimo Macconi 13:46, 28 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

In those English phrases, type is an objective noun (a noun pretending to be an adjective), so you may want something like specimen typicum 'type specimen' and locus typicus 'type locality'; but standard Latin idioms for these concepts probably occur in the Latin works of expert botanists & zoologists—and those idioms, whatever they are (if they differ from the idioms proposed here), are the ones that Vicipaedia should be using. IacobusAmor 14:17, 28 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

locus typicus and specimen typicum then i will use, thanks, Hendricus 14:25, 28 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Anselme Gaëtan Desmarest

Anselmus Caietanus Desmarest, vide Anselmus Cantuariensis et Caietanus Donizetti--Massimo Macconi 13:47, 28 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, Hendricus 14:01, 28 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Categories

Note that I changed some categories this morning (not necessarily all were your creations) -- the correct forms are Categoria:Nomenclatura, Categoria:Taxinomia and Categoria:Ordines Plantarum. There is also, already in existence, Categoria:Taxinomia Linnaeana. I didn't combine this with the new Categoria:Taxinomia, because there are other kinds of taxonomy, in other areas of knowledge, as well as the Linnaean one. Andrew Dalby 11:22, 30 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

• Goodmorning Andrew, yes i've noticed, categoria:Taxinomia is about the ranks (titles) in the taxonomic system, Categoria:Taxinomia Linnaeana are species where the taxobox has been used, i already suspected the naming of the cats about nomenclature and plants where wrong, Hendricus 11:29, 30 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

Definitely Phylum (Greek phylon, "tribe"). A completely different word from Greek phyllon "leaf", which would Latinize as phyllum. Andrew Dalby 12:56, 30 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

So they're wrong at the english project? Hendricus 12:58, 30 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

• en:Taxonomic rank#Main taxonomic ranks >> double 'l', Hendricus 13:01, 30 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

Yes, they were wrong. I've corrected it over there. Andrew Dalby 14:20, 30 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

• Thank god for that, i've been using single 'l' in all animal lemma's, only have to correct Phyllum (Taxon) then, thanks, Hendricus 14:32, 30 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

I suggest Systema duorum imperiorum (literally "system of two empires"). Andrew Dalby 17:01, 30 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

ok, i think about that, Hendricus 17:12, 30 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Genitive plural=

Hi Hendrice! I notice you've been using some similar text for the first line of a lot of your articles. For the future pages (and the past ones, if you would like to correct), the following text is correct in the genitive plural Lemma (X anno 1837), (Anglice: Lemma) est (genus/ordo/species etc.) Marsupialium herbivororum Australianorum. Just to explain (if you don't get it), Marsupial has the genitive plural Marsupalium (you already knew that), Herbivorus is an adjective meaning "which is a herbivore", which has a genitive plural in Herbivororum and Australianus is the adjective for Australia, so it has another -orum ending in the genitive plural. "Lemma is a genus of the Australian herbivorous Marsupials". Hope this will help for the future, Harrissimo 23:49, 30 Decembris 2007 (UTC).

You could have mensioned it before, thanks, Hendricus 07:48, 31 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

And I have another that I should have probably mentioned before as well. Are you using studiosus as the noun "student", or as the adjective "devoted to, studious"? If the noun, a lot of genitive singulars will need to be added. Harrissimo 12:18, 31 Decembris 2007 (UTC).

I'm using studiosus because someone corrected this in an article long ago this way, Hendricus 12:21, 31 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

Ahh... Well which would you prefer the meaning was in your articles? P.S. Mortuis is Mortuus ;) . Harrissimo 12:24, 31 Decembris 2007 (UTC).

In the most logical way please, Hendricus 12:30, 31 Decembris 2007 (UTC)

[recensere] Categories

So that the category Taxinomia Linnaeana is not swamped with a long list of species, I have changed the category that the taxobox applies. The taxobox now puts each species in the category Categoria:Capsa taxinomica Linnaeana (meaning "Linnaean taxobox"). This means that Categoria:Taxinomia Linnaeana ("Linnaean taxonomy") is left free for the articles you are writing about the classification levels etc. I think this will be more logical, and I hope it's useful. Andrew Dalby 10:38, 1 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

I think it's much - much better, Hendricus 12:37, 1 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

[recensere] Word order

Salve, Hendrice! When you are saying who invented the binomen, please say (Binomen a W inventum anno X) - this is a better word order. Thanks, Harrissimo 19:37, 1 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC).

Ok, i will, don't forget to tell Andrew as well, it was his correction, Hendricus 19:41, 1 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

[recensere] (non-)stipulae

Sorry, I must have missed your last comment on my page (I wasn't just ignoring you!) I'll look forward to working on those pages with you. Do you have anything to say on when the stipula formula should come out? (I just set up a discussion at Disputatio Vicipaediae:Pagina#Quid est pagina?). Harrissimo 02:55, 3 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC).

[recensere] Biographies

I made some minor changes to Henricus Marius Ducrotay de Blainville -- mainly the first sentence. I think the grammar and punctuation is better this way. Let me know if you have any queries.

When giving categories to biographical articles, the best way (I think) is to add a DEFAULTSORT line and specify exactly how the heading should be sorted. It is possible to do as you did, and add the name to every category, but it's less efficient (and easy to forget, as you forgot it with the last two categories!) Andrew Dalby 10:15, 5 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

• Ok, so the defaultsort will work for every category given? Hendricus 13:19, 5 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)
  • I realy like to know how to translate some more tekst from English or French articles, i think it's very important information to know for wich institutes (museum or university) someone worked for and about the travels he have made, Hendricus 13:22, 5 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you. I like that information too. Choose a biography that you would like me to look at, containing plenty of this kind of information, and I will "improve" it for you (if I can!) Andrew Dalby 13:25, 5 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

simple: Blainville, hidden in latin lemma,

I've done him. Have a look. I have followed Iacobus's rule (below) because it makes good sense I think: just the years in the first sentence, then full details later. Andrew Dalby 21:34, 5 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

I think it's great, only i've put the french name back in the general line and called the detailed tekst Biographia, what do you think? Hendricus 21:56, 5 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

Fine. No problem. Andrew Dalby 21:58, 5 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

Then let's see what others think of it? Hendricus 21:59, 5 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

If the Latin is aproved, it's the first "non-stipula" in the category: Biologi, Hendricus 22:02, 5 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

extraordinary large: Darwin see en:Charles Darwin

It's a very interesting one and I'd love to do it, but I don't have time now. Sorry! Andrew Dalby 21:36, 5 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

Hendricus 13:29, 5 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'll look at those later today.

Place of birth or death: if it's a non-Latin name, like Arques, you need to put "apud" (meaning at) before it. If it's a Latin name, like Lutetia, you don't need "apud" but instead you use the so-called locative case form, usually the same at the genitive: thus [[Lutetia]]e or [[Mediolanum|Mediolani]]. Andrew Dalby 15:43, 5 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

Ok, i'll try to remember, Hendricus 15:49, 5 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

[recensere] pagina structure biographies

[Copied across from my page Andrew Dalby 18:20, 5 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)] Hi Andrew, it seems we have two kinds of structures for the biographical lemmas:

• Alexander Brongniart
• Andreas Marius Constantinus Dumeril

I think we should try to keep one kind of structure, Hendricus 15:53, 5 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean the birth and death? Not a problem, I think. If you have only the years, you can do it the simple way (1900-1999). If you have more (days and months, places, etc.) you need the extra words to make everything clear. (natus die 7 Maii 1900 Londinii; mortuus ...). OK? Andrew Dalby 16:16, 5 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

I'm the one who changed the structure of Andreas Marius Constantinus Dumeril to show that, if a stipula is expected to grow (as 99.99% of them are), it should be structured ab initio to ease that growth. Putting full dates & places of birth & death in the first line will inconvenience later editors, who'll be obliged to spend extra effort removing full dates & places from the first line, often rewording them, and always putting them elsewhere. All the temporal information that's needed in the first line is the plain years in parentheses, e.g. "(1876–1954)." The first sentence is a succinct summary, needing only the person's (1) name, (2) years (or century), and (3) claim to fame. The details will naturally follow. (For some people, a short "Vita" section will suffice; for others, the "Vita" section will break down into many subsections or new sections.) I've made this point before, but it should have been made at the beginning, before Vicipaedia had accumulated maybe a thousand or more biographical stubs. Expansion of every one of them will require effort that wouldn't be wasted had such stubs been structured for growth at the start. Since we're surely much, much, much closer to the start of Vicipaedia than the finish, we can still feel confident about rethinking the way biographical stubs are structured. To organize their information as if they were complete articles (which is what many writers have been doing) may give them the illusion of elegance, but it places a barrier in the way of writers who want to expand them. IacobusAmor 17:11, 5 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

Fine. I didn't realise you had edited Dumeril. I agree with your points ... but I'm not a serial writer of biographical stubs. I'll leave further discussion on this to you and Hendricus (and maybe Massimo??) Andrew Dalby 18:20, 5 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

[recensere] Academies

I have deleted Categoria:Academia Francia because (a) the phrase makes no sense and (b) if (as I guess) you meant "French academies", there really aren't enough of them to make a category (I think). I checked fr:wiki and can't find many potential members of such a category there. A category that won't grow above 3 or 4 members is not a good idea.

But I see now you put a list of about 6 of them at Institum Franciae sic!]. OK, that's about enough I guess. The phrase you want is "Academiae Francicae".

I hid the list on that page because it is written in English. Andrew Dalby 10:13, 6 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

No i think it's better to place them in cacategory Institut de France, there are several museums as well en we can place the scientists (subcat) as well, Hendricus 10:23, 6 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

[recensere] Hortus Plantarum (Lutetia)

Both the French names you gave were wrong. If you don't know the language, maybe better copy-and-paste! Andrew Dalby 13:03, 6 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

Sorrie about that, Hendricus 13:10, 6 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

Afternoon, Hendrice! I'll move it to Museum Nationale Historiae Naturalis (Lutetia). OK? Andrew Dalby 14:17, 6 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, sorrie for all my mistakes, i've started these stipula's to get some blue links within the biographia lemma's, there are a lot of new words for me in it, i like to add some of the major English instituts as well, thanks for helping, Hendricus 14:21, 6 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

btw. is the name of this cat spelled correct: Categoria:Musea Historiae Naturalis to get the worlds major natural history museums together? Hendricus 14:26, 6 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

It's fine. In general, if you start pages for institutes etc., I'm happy to move them when the name needs correcting. No problem. Andrew Dalby 14:33, 6 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC) [I meant pages, not categories! See below.]

Ok, thanks, Hendricus 14:36, 6 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

[recensere] New categories

Hendrice, every time you mis-spell a category name, someone has to come and mop up after you. It's such a waste of time! I told you above, if you wanted a category "French academies", it would be "Academiae Francicae". So why create Categoria:Academiae Francica? And where did you get the idea for Categoria:Academiae Nationale Medicinae? It doesn't mean anything!

It isn't the same as pages. Pages can be moved easily. Categories cannot be moved. So it is not a good idea to invent them -- until you have learned about the declension of nouns and adjectives. It is better, if you want a new category, to leave it briefly as a redlink on a page. Then someone can come along, correct it if necessary, and create the category.Andrew Dalby 20:01, 7 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

Ok, i will, Hendricus 20:08, 7 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to be impatient! So, what did you mean by Categoria:Academiae Nationale Medicinae? I wasn't sure, so I couldn't suggest a correct version. Did you intend the plural, "National Academies of Medicine" worldwide? If so, it'll be "Academiae Nationales Medicinae". Only one letter, but it makes all the difference! Andrew Dalby 20:15, 7 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

Well i first created the cat for the several academies and academic hospitals of wich are part of the National academy within France, at second hand i think it will be the only one for the time beeing because this is the oldest one and a lot of the professors working at it were famous botanists as well (medicins from herbs), i will be working mainly with biology (zoologia, botania, etc and continue with this as soon i'm able to place the IUCN status info into the taxobox [Harrisimo was trying to work this out]) and will add more scientists (binomial authors) as well - like i've said befor, i think it's very informative to know wich institutes the authors worked at and because they are mensioned in various biographical lemma's is the next thing to do is ading stipula's about these institutes (Universities, musea, etc) and place the scientists in a equal named category so you get a list of scientists pro institute, ofcourse the institutes should be categorized properly by country, after France i like to create similar lemma's with the English and Germans, Hendricus 20:35, 7 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

[recensere] Perhaps you are

interested in this new page Ioannes Petrus Armandus David --Massimo Macconi 12:38, 8 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

Great, it would even be greater to see some more tekst about his work i China and the new species he discovered and are named after him, Hendricus 16:43, 8 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)

[recensere] French scientists

Salve Hendrice. Addens corrigensque quam saepissime te adjuvabo. Ergo te moneo ut errorem in categoriae a te creatae denominatione corrigas: sicut heri in amici Dalby disputatione dixi (sed forsan francogallicum non intelligis...), Museum Historiae Naturalis Lutetiae non est tam "museum" quam universitas studiorum. Ut igitur opinio mea fert, illi qui ibi docuerunt ut "socii" (anglice "fellows") designandi sunt nec "conservatores". Vale ThbdGrrd 20:13, 13 Ianuarii 2008 (UTC)