Talk:ralju ckupau

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Doesn't the definition of zo papri specifically mean a physical object?

I think so. What terms should be used for (a) a non-physical collection of information and (b) a subunit of such a collection? 81.168.80.170 22:36, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

A non-physical (or non-paper) collection of information cukta, as long as it has an author and an audience and is preserved in some medium. I see nothing wrong with calling a web page {papri}, since we have no other word for a page that isn't a sheet of some material. lo cukta ka'e se zbasu fi lo pelji gi'enai se papri; it could be written on a single long sheet and rolled up into a scroll. -Pier 13:59, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

.eu lu ralju pagbu li'u Arj 22:35, 13 cel 2004 (UTC)

ckupau --Snan

du'u du'u lu ralju papri li'u lu ralju vreji li'u binxo kei drani kei cumki Dissident 04:12, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

di'u so'asi'e nalseljmi mi'e Blabak 09:19, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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ko ciksi le nu pilno le ralju lerfu

mi pu troci .iku'i na fasnu .i le nu lo favgau be la .uikimedias. cu gasnu cu sarcu .i cumki fa le nu ba le nu ma'a ciska panono ci'arvelski kei lei favgau cu jundi tu'a ma'a mi'e Pier 03:01, 14 cel 2004 (UTC)

.ua .iku'i cpedu le du'u do ciksi le nu pilno le ralju lerfu poi pagbu le ci'arvelski ku'o .enai le ralju lerfu poi cmene ke'a

Contents 1 masti cmene 2 stigau ckape 3 stidi fi le cando 4 Unsolicited advice 5 sruma ma le detri 6 fukpi klesi 7 dzeremske gi'a prurunske gi'a grivlici'e gi'a jinske 8 Correct Lojbanization of "Wikipedia" 9 Names 10 preti lo lujvo 11 Babel seems to be broken :/ 12 Important naming policy discussion 13 bots 14 Bot status for PipepBot 15 Bot bit request SieBot 16 cnino gafygau selti'i 17 English Ubuntu Article

[edit] masti cmene

ma se ciste fi le masti cmene pe la .uikipedias. .i zo cel ki'a .i pe'i .ei ro masti cmene cu se jicmu tu'a lo namcu Arj 22:25, 14 cel 2004 (UTC)

kanbyma'i ce'o jaurbeima'i ce'o fipma'i ce'o lanma'i ce'o bakma'i ce'o matsi'uma'i ce'o mlajukma'i ce'o cinfyma'i ce'o xlima'i ce'o laxma'i ce'o rebjukma'i ce'o celma'i .i di'u se jicmu le tardaldjine mi'e Pier 23:10, 15 cel 2004 (UTC)

.i mi .e so'i drata cu na nelci ta poi ciste fi le masti .i mi stidi le di'e ciste

pavma'i ce'o relma'i ce'o cibma'i ce'o vonma'i ce'o mumyma'i ce'o xavma'i ce'o zelma'i ce'o bivma'i ce'o sozma'i ce'o pavnonma'i ce'o pavpavma'i ce'o pavrelma'i

.i mi krici le du'u zmadu fi le ka frili se jimpe je se morji mi'e bancus 15:57 2005 pi'e 4 pi'e 25

[edit] stigau ckape

ko tcidu la'e zoi gy meta:Inactive_wikis .ije ko sisku zoi gy jbo gy .i pei ma'a ba spuda Arj 23:46, 14 cel 2004 (UTC)

.eipe'i ma'a spuda .i .e'u tavla fi le ropno breveto selstidi .iji'a le jefydikni ke ci'arvelski nunfanva cu pe'i xamgu farvi .i li panono dizyjimte lo ci'arvelski raumei be fi lo me la .uikipedias. stecmi le glico ke ralju papri .i ma'a ca ponse 46 cy .i ganai ma'a snada tu'a li 100 gi ju'oru'e la metas. jundi ma'a mi'e Pier 23:10, 15 cel 2004 (UTC)

to ma smuni zo breveto toi

flalu selci'a .i le te breveto je finti cu se flalu le nu pavmei zbasu le se breveto je se finti

na'e zdile .i puzi spuda .i krici le du'u ko'a no'e nelci le rutni bangu mi'e Djez 04:21, 16 cel 2004 (UTC)

[edit] stidi fi le cando

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_articles_all_languages_should_have

[edit] Unsolicited advice

Just a thought: one of the best ways to get a large number of usable articles right away is to input the events that happened throughout history, year by year. Usually the url is just a simple 1560 (for the year 1560), and a negative for BC though some do it differently. It's easy enough to make up a standard format saying Events Births Deaths

and a few other things, along with links at the top to the next and preceding years, plus categories for the decade and century. Assuming that a few of the people here are still learning the language it would make for good practice as the sentences need only be as simple as "King Ronald the Third invades Polonia", Deaths - King Geulloja of Baekjae in Korea, that sort of thing.

[edit] sruma ma le detri

ni'o le lojbo cecmu cu sruma ma le detri .e le barda sinxa .i mi zgana le kanke be le namcu bei le namcu valsi .ije mi pensi le nu le namcu valsi kei sarxe le cukta no'u la'o gy. The Complete Lojban Language gy. Stifynsemons

[edit] fukpi klesi

ni'o le klesi no'u zo saske cu fukpi selvasru le drata klesi mu'a le tedyske .e le mu'eske .i Stifynsemons

[edit] dzeremske gi'a prurunske gi'a grivlici'e gi'a jinske

ma dzeremske gi'a prurunske gi'a grivlici'e gi'a jinske .i mi smuni naljimpe .i Stifynsemons

zo grivlici'e se fanva fu zoi zoi politics zoi .i mi ledu'u zo prurunske se fanva fu zoi zoi archaeology zoi kei cu smadi gi'e na'e birti --Danogo 09:58, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

mi pu selcfipu file ka zo prurunske cu zo remske kei .iku'i mi ca krici lenu do drani .i ne'i zo remske mi jmina le skucripu file zo stali remske .i xu mi tugni do ledu'u lu prurunske li'u nitcu jorne lu stali remske li'u .iji'a mi tugni do ledu'u zoi gy. politics gy. cu smuni zo grivlici'e .i mi'e Stifynsemons 17:54, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Correct Lojbanization of "Wikipedia"

In my opinion, {uikiPEdi,as} is a slightky better lojbanization of "Wikipedia". What do you think?

.ie zmadu lo ka ce'u mapti le sance stura be le krasi valsi .i ku'i dukse lo ka tolmelbi kei .e lo ka pluja .i se mu'i bo mi to'e djica lo nu basygau le lojbo cmene Arj 08:02, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

zo uikiPEdi,as jo'u zo uikipedi,as jo'u zo uikipedias cu simxu lo ka mintu fi lo ka ce'u valsi ma kau i lo slaka sinxa na kakne lo nu galfi lo se valsi i lo bacru selstidi na galfi lo se valsi

[edit] Names

When Lojbanizing the name of a person or a place, I suggest not using the English pronunciation unless there is a good reason for it. In particular, if you don't know how the original name is pronounced in its original language, it is much safer to leave the vowels a, e, i, o, u as they are spelt and never change them to ei, i, ai, ou, iu.

I mostly agree. I think the spelling of a name is of more fundamental importance than the pronunciation, so the spelling is what should stay in tact. However, sometimes I think some modification does have to be made. For example, I recently lojbanized "Rickman" to be "rikmen." I couldn't leave the 'c' in because "rickman." is too hard to pronounce in lojban and the lojban 'c' sounds very different from the english 'c'. I also had the names "Quinn" and "Wade" to deal with; those had to be changed because 'q' and 'w' don't exist in lojban, and also lojban doesn't allow double letters and it might sound too awkward to have an 'e' on the end which was silent in english which would have to have a consonant added to it anyway. Kybunon 18:08, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't suggesting not basing the name on pronunciation. All I said is not to base it on *English* pronunciation when the name is not particularly associated with the English language.

Another issue with names: Please don't use commas and capital letters for names other than your own! Stress and syllabification patterns are free in cmevla, they don't change the name. Commas and capitalization can only show your preferred pronunciation, but any other variant is permitted for the same name, so there is no reason to uglyfy the Lojban spelling for everyone just to show the pronunciation of a cmevla that a particular person likes best.

I think sometimes commas are necessary. For example, in the name "Diana", "di,anas." is necessary instead of "dianas." because the "ia" together make different sounds than "i" and "a" individually. Kybunon 21:41, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

In Lojban, {dianas}, {di,anas}, {DI,anas}, {dian,AS}, etc. are all one and the same name. All that the commas and capitals show is the preferred pronunciation of a given speaker.

The Reference Grammar (chapter 4, verse 8) says, "[names] are penultimately stressed, unless unusual stress is marked with capitalization" and "[names] may be stressed on any syllable; if this syllable is not the penultimate one, it must be capitalized when writing." This implies that {DI,anas} is not a valid reading of {dianas}. However, the Reference Grammar also says, "if possible and acceptable, shift the stress to the penultimate (next-to-the-last) syllable", i.e. we should still avoid capital letters in most cases for stylistic reasons.—75.2.73.201 16:50, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

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Is it allowed to have additional full stops in the middle of the name in Lojban? In the Finnish language combinations "la" and "lai" are common in names and some difficulties make that the double consonants and double vowels are pronounced much longer than usually in other languages. To make an example of a Finnish newspaper "Kalajokilaakso", the usual way to lojbanize it would be "kaleiokileksos." which makes it difficult for Finnish people to recognize. I would prefer form "kal.aiokil.a'aksos." but is it possible to split name in Lojban like this? Another example, "Matti" (Nykänen is well known). The double consonant is pronounced really long, almost having a pause in it and "mat.tis." would be nearer the real pronounciation than "matis." --Gallinago 19:13, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

to zoi gy It's allowed, but I suggest posing this question at the lojban beginners' mailing list. My feeling is that these questions will have to be answered by consensus of the Finnish and Estonian Lojbanists. You can join the list at the link below. gy toi je'a selcru i je ku'i e'u di'u preti fi do fe loi cmima po le lojbo co'arcilre mriste i pe'i drani fa lo nu loi jbopre co selbau be lo banrsuomi e lo banrxesti cu tugni lo bi'u nai selrei i do se pi'o la'e zoi sam http://www.digitalkingdom.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi/ sam cu kakne lo nu cmibi'o le'i bi'u nai mriste i mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan de'i li 2006 pi'e 05 pi'e 11 ti'u li 22 pi'e 15

[edit] preti lo lujvo

zo jinske poi ciska ke'a le ralju ckupau cu lujvo ma --Danogo 11:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

mi naljimpe zo jinske to pe'u ko zgana le zemoi pagbu toi Stifynsemons 06:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Babel seems to be broken :/

i tried to spice up my user page on this WP with a Babel block (just like on my user page on the german one (which ironically has the same text as mine here)) but it seems kind of broken. what to do now? --Timonator 14:23, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Important naming policy discussion

Please see Wikipedia:veltu'i tadji lo nu fanva lo cmene.—sen ^{(ko tavla)} 05:06, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] bots

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[edit] cnino gafygau selti'i

(Suggestions for new editors)

mi jmina lo bi'u nai pagbu lo ralju ckupau .i ki'u bo pe'i la'a lei cnino gafygau cu se sidju lo nu pensi lo tadji be lo nu fanva lo cmene la lojban i je pe'i lo nu binxo lo birti be lo du'u lo te galfi prosa cu gendra cu xamgu i e'o do te pinka

I added this section to the main page because I think looking into the issue of lojbanizing names might be helpful to new editors. Also, checking the grammar of edits seems like a good idea. Comment welcome.

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan 04:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] English Ubuntu Article

Some IP added an article on ubuntu, a linux dist., but it's in english, not lojban. -63.17.28.174 06:06, 24 la vomast. 2008 (UTC)