Talk:Vienna Teng
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[edit] Virt bio
About the revert: It would be nice to have a longer Vienna bio on here, but I'm pretty sure quoting the one from Virt's website is a copyright violation. -Ergative 05:39, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
[edit] rofl
Vienna is not an Italian city... dude. -- Миборовский U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 05:51, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Vienna's Legal Name
She has a LinkedIn page[1] that associates her real name with her stage name. I agree that Wikipedia needn't be bound by informal fansite surveys. I also think it's certainly of encyclopedic interest.Arnshea (talk) 21:38, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
There is at least a consensus of readers at the Vienna Teng Forums (http://viennateng.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1299) that she prefers not to have her real name listed. Please don't add it back. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rflrob (talk • contribs) 05:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
- WP:BLP#Non-public figures. In case there is any question of Wikipedia policy concerning the issue. If this becomes a persistent problem, perhaps an inline HTML comment warning editors may be good idea. Dancter 05:38, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Why can't we show her real name??? She is a public figure, and it's definitely not a secret. It's all over the web.
Zah429 18:16, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
WP:BLP#Non-public_figures does not apply to public figures. And such information is certainly of encyclopedic value to someone as witnessed by the List of celebrities who have changed their name. Also, Wikipedia is not a fansite and articles are not required to submit to fan veto. (The fans of Blythe, Dzhugashvili, or Schicklgruber might not want such info known either). — AjaxSmack 01:02, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- It's not exactly fair to compare a musician of marginal demonstrated notability (in the sense of Wikipedia criteria, meaning no insult to the subject) with elected government leaders, for which the relevance of their character and personal histories to their notability is argued by numerous in-depth independent biographies. Dancter 02:12, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Agreed with AjaxSmack. A musician or other performing artist who has publically released work and gives public performances is by definition a public figure. 90.9.63.33 23:47, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not heavily invested in this dispute, but this seems to be one of those borderline cases in which the "do no harm" clause applies. It has not been shown that her real name is somehow relevant to her notability. I still stand by my original comment. Dancter 02:12, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
- No harm has been shown and her real name appears online at the two cited articles so it is clearly not a case of Wikipedia exposing someone's privacy. One could argue that few of people on the list of celebrities who have changed their name's real names are relevant to their notability either but the information is nonetheless of encyclopedic interest. — AjaxSmack 06:01, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
- First, especially where WP:BLP is concerned, I don't think the burden of proof falls on the exclusionists. Second, I don't recall any such sources being provided before I made my comments. Third, I'm not a big supporter of stand-alone lists, so using list of celebrities who have changed their name to demonstrate encyclopedic value doesn't do much to convince me. Lastly, based on your wording of "encyclopedic interest", as well as your re-addition of a trivia section, we have a difference of opinion with respect to trivia. Interesting information that is not shown to be important in a proper contextualization with respect to the subject is trivia, and is supposed to be avoided. Before the sourcing, trivia is exactly what Vienna Teng's real name was (and to a lesser extent still is, in the current presentation), and what I imagine many of those celebrity listings would prove to be when clicking through to their respective articles. Again, I still stand by my original statements. Dancter 06:55, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
- No harm has been shown and her real name appears online at the two cited articles so it is clearly not a case of Wikipedia exposing someone's privacy. One could argue that few of people on the list of celebrities who have changed their name's real names are relevant to their notability either but the information is nonetheless of encyclopedic interest. — AjaxSmack 06:01, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] New York City
Teng recently relocated from San Francisco to New York City. Someone may want to find a verifiable source for this and add it. Dissolve 10:29, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Nationality
I changed this to "American" rather than Chinese-American per wp:mosbio. Thanks, --Tom 12:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] On the Amos/McLaughlan connection and redaction
CueTheStrings passed along a nice note to me with some Wikipedia editing tips and tricks. Among the points (s)he raised was a comment about my redaction of the Amos/McLaughlan comparison from the lead of the article. CueTheStrings cautioned against pulling things out simply because I disagree with them personally.
That is good advice, but I don't think that's what's going on here.
There were a few reasons for the change as it stands.
The positioning of the Amos/McLaughlan connection was too high in the article. If someone wants to write an "Influences" section and a "Comparisons to other artists" section, this discussion might fit.
The connection needs to be justified by something that's preferably not the editor's op/ed and not just a lazy comparison. Teng has mentioned Amos as a primary influence. Great, that's a meaningful connection. The Teng-Amos connection should be voiced in her words and from her point of view.
My opinion: the fact that a bunch of journalists lazily make a link between one female singer/pianist and another is not in itself worthy of headlining an article. The McLaughlan connection is weak unless Teng has voiced it.
--Kennethfine 23:09, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Work at Cisco Systems?
Anyone know what exactly she did for Cisco?
It's possible she was a tester or in a similar position, which requires the ability to code but isn't exactly a "software engineering" position. If she wasn't a programmer working, say, on extending class hierarchies or designing programs, "software engineer" may be a bit overblown.
Stanford has a prestigious CS program and it's certainly possible Teng got into software engineering straight out of school, but it would be nice if we had some confirmation. Many many well-paid programmers in the world are not "software engineers."
--Kennethfine 00:52, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
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