Template talk:Ukrainians

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[edit] Trident

I think we may use a different pic than the trident here. The national CoA is a symbol of the state, not the ethnic group. Not sure what other image to use though. --Irpen 00:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but still, if you look at {{Albanians}}, {{Bosniaks}}, {{Bulgarians}}, and {{Montenegrins}} they use either CoA or Flag.. —dima/s-ko/ 00:53, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Does this replace Template:Ukraine topics? Also, closely related peoples is a weird category heading, but I know what you were going for.--tufkaa 04:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

No. I see that they have similarities (culture and language links), but this is specifically for Ukrainian peoples. Its basicly just like Template:History of Ukraine which too has similar links with {{Ukraine topics}}. Closely related peoples is weird cat. heading but it is better than subgroups, but that might be POV. Do you have any suggestions for different heading? —dima/s-ko/ 04:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cossacks...closely related???

Treating Cossacks on the same scope as Hutsuls and Lemkos is in my opinion quite ORish, let's not forget that it is a broad term, and one that is not necessary representative of Ukrainians. I for one am not Ukrainian and nonetheless a Cossack, something that I doubt you will be able to say for a Hutsul. Lastly if for Russians, Cossacks are treated on ethnical level, then in Ukraine Cossack would be a term of purely cultural value. Also I wonder why there is no Boikos or for that matter any links to Slavs?--Kuban Cossack 16:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure about this whole category as the issue is politicized and there is no single NPOV version whether Lemkos, Rusyns, etc and a subgroups of the Ukrainian nation or separate groups. Generally I am no fan of templates except in clear-cut cases. --Irpen 16:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but I listed the category as "closely related peoples," and not as "subgroups" (which could be POV). Would changing the title to "Related peoples" make it more neutral? I agree that Cossacks are not on the same scope as Hutsuls and Lemkos, but they are related to Ukrainians. The term is broad, but Cossacks can be just as well be Ukrainian, Russian, ect... If anyone wishes to create a {{Russians}} template, then they may just as well add Cossacks into a "related peoples" group.. —dima/s-ko/ 21:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)