Template talk:Swiss far right

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• National Front (Switzerland) (1933-1940)
• Eidgenössische Sammlung (1940-1943)
• Republikaner (1971-1990).
• Partei National Orientierter Schweizer (since 2000)
• Schweizer Demokraten (since 1990), formerly Nationale Aktion (1961-1990)
• Ulrich Schlüer
• Pascal Junod
• Jean-Jacques Kottelat [1]
• Politics of Switzerland#Extremism

this should be a full article (like, written in prose), not a suggestive template for transclusion. Move it to Swiss far right or or Far right (Switzerland). In terms of neutrality, it is not acceptable to list Henri Guisan in a list of racists, fascists and holocaust deniers. Guisan was a member of the SVV, but he is not notable because he ever publicly defended pro-Nazi positions, he is notable as a general (he was a nationalist, to be sure, but rather contrary to the creepy pro-Nazis of the time, he made it clear he was going to resist Nazi invasion to the last). Similarly, it is undue to list a generally populist party like the SVP among neonazi, racist and fascist organisations. A prose discussion can point out that the SVP has a number of active neo-fascists among its members, but that's not the same as implying that it is a neo-fascist party by nature of its official program. --dab (𒁳) 09:56, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

• Some decent points raised there and I accept what you say about Guisan and will remove him from the template once I've finished here. The SVP are often included in the extreme/far right by a number of authors, although I take your point that this is also disputed by some and as such an article would be desirable. I was not attempting to argue that they are neo-fascist by that, however.

• I did have something like a Far right in Switzerland article in mind for the future personally but have other projects on the go at the minute. If you want to go ahead and start then by all means do and I'll add to it when time permits. Otherwise leave it with me as I feel a series of country articles about the far right would be desirable here as some of the entries are quite disjointed. In fact that was largely my reasoning behind this template - to try to bring things more closely together.

• Anyway, I'll leave it up to you whether or not you want to start the article but if you do please drop me a line at my talk page as I may forget about this over the weekend. :) Keresaspa 14:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

• • Whoops, I forgot one thing. If the article is created I still feel the template would be useful and should be kept alongside it, rather than being moved and converted. Keresaspa 15:01, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

fine -- I will create a stub now and we'll see how it goes. The SVP will certainly be mentioned in such an article. However, nobody argues they are part of the "extreme right". They are (since the late 1980s) a textbook case of right-wing populism, and there are certainly overlaps with the far right, but as a party covering 29% of the popular vote, these overlaps happen to be at the party's right fringe. The far right in Switzerland historically has support ranging between 5% and 15%. The dividing line between "far right", merely "conservatist" and "neoliberal" runs straight across the SVP. It should also be pointed out that the compsition of cantonal parties shows vast divergence. The Zurich chapter is clearly neoliberal, while the Vaud chapter is moderately traditionalist-conservative. It is hard to believe they form branches of the same party, and I would predict that if the SVP grows any larger, it will necessarily undergo seccession. dab (𒁳) 15:49, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

• re, The SVP are often included in the extreme/far right by a number of authors -- no such mention is found on Swiss People's Party. Again, it is obvious that the SVP will be mentioned in this context, because several of its members are clearly far right, but I would ask you to cite some of these authors including the SVP in the extreme/far right at the main SVP article first: I tried to find such referencs myself, and it appeared to turn out that such "inclusions" are exclusively found in far-left polemics, but not in any politological studies. dab (𒁳) 16:14, 2 November 2007 (UTC)