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Contents 1 Requested move 1.1 Discussion 2 French origin 3 England v Scotland and Wales 4 Mistakes 5 "Ancien Regime" Irish Regiments in French Service 6 St George's Cross ban 7 Image copyright problem with Image:City of London Arms.png

[edit] Requested move

• St. George's cross to St George's Cross. The article has the correct (non-punctuated) form (in British English, at least, the full stop is used to indicate that a word has been truncated after that point; thus 'St' is the correct abbreviation of 'saint', while 'St.' is the correct abbreviation of 'street'). Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:24, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Discussion

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Despite what the article says "St George's Cross should not be confused with the Cross of St. George,..." I think the article should be move should be to "Cross of St George" as that seems to me to be more common, "St George's cross" has too many "s"es in it to be in as common a verbal usage. Philip Baird Shearer 14:36, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I agree — I just didn't want to be too radical on an issue on which I'm no expert. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 14:44, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Be radical. -- Philip Baird Shearer 11:27, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Cross of St George would be my choice. violet/riga (t) 14:44, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC) violet/riga (t) 15:15, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Does this count as consensus? Should I just make the move (assuming that I can)? Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 14:52, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Actually wait a minute - Cross of St. George exists as a different article (about the Russian medal). Changing my vote to supporting a move to St George's cross. violet/riga (t) 15:15, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'd personally prefer to keep this here with the full stop, as the rule about the dot only standing for truncated rules is not wholly followed in BE. However, if you really must, St George's cross will suffice.

Actually, shouldn't it be St George's Cross?

James F. (talk) 15:29, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

If you are supporting or opposing this move then put it in the section above. My prefrence would be to move the page to Cross of St George (Common usage) and move the current article Cross of St. George to Cross of St George (Russian) as the vast majority of English language readers would not know of the Russian meaning but would known the Flag of England the crusaders, Richard the Lionheart (Papel banner) etc. (BTW there is also the Flag of Georgia (country)). Philip Baird Shearer 17:31, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Firstly, as this is now a (at least) five-way discussion, support/oppose votes make no real sense on a boolean choice.

Secondly, use of Georgia as an example is probably not the best idea - there's a very very very long-term yet still on-going discussion as to whether national items take precendence over sub-national ones (Georgia & Georgia (state) vs. Georgia (country) & Georgia vs. Georgia (country) & Georgia (state) vs. ...).

Finally, IME it's always called "the St. George's Cross"; "Cross of St. George" seems a rather rare useage, to me.

James F. (talk) 18:06, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'd have said the reverse; is this regional? Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:12, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Nah its not regional, its sobriety. The more one has had to drink the harder it is to say "St. George's Cross" Philip Baird Shearer 23:13, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I know I'm picking up on a very, very old discussion. But it seems to me that "Cross of St George" is if anything more common than "St George's Cross". Google apparently prefers "Cross of St George" by a slim margin (117,000 to 71,000 as of a minute ago). Shouldn't the article at least state that the "Cross of St George" form is regularly used? Sakkura 12:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] French origin

I thought that it was the case that the St George's cross was adopted after one of the English Kings (forget which one) married Eleanor of Aquitaine. Previously the flag was used by the French kingdom of Aquitaine. GordyB 16:51, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I would like to apose a thought, is the origin St Georges Cross actually from the Legend of the Dragon. In that St George slayed the dragon and drew a cross on its chest with blood from the tip of his sword. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dsando (talk • contribs) 00:01, 21 June 2006 (UTC) ====At first the red cross was the French badge at the time of the crusaders. What happened was that the English king was at once the legitimate king of France in the Hundred Years' War.

[edit] England v Scotland and Wales

The article refers to the fact that until recently English supporters would fly the British flag at football games, even against Scotland who share this flag, rather than their own flag. That has changed, but the English football authorities still play the British national anthem, which is sung by the English and booed by the Scots and Welsh who are also British. Talk about the "United" Kingdom! Millbanks 07:57, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mistakes

Be careful! "St George's Cross" and "White banner with a red cross" are NOT the same thing. In fact although the flag of Milan, Italy has the same appearance of the English one, it is not St George's but St Ambrose's cross FOTW.

Regarding the origins of the english flag, it is not sure that it came from the crusades. It is more likely that another hypotesis is correct: it came from the Republic of Genoa [1] , as admitted by the Duke of Kent in a flier for the British pavillion at the 1992 Expo in Genoa text here. 130.251.4.11 12:22, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

• So far as I know, at first the red cross was the badge for the French crusaders in Holy Land. As a result of the Hundred Years´War, the one-time French badge ended up being an English badge, among other things for the English King was the legitimate pretender to the French crown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.2.203.76 (talk • contribs) 06:53, 17 November 2007

[edit] "Ancien Regime" Irish Regiments in French Service

The Irish foot regiments in French pay bore a red St George's cross on their regimental colours. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.142.175.22 (talk • contribs) 05:56, 19 October 2007

[edit] St George's Cross ban

How about including this piece of information?

FC Barcelona shirts sold in Saudi Arabia have had their emblems modified to exclude St George's Cross, included in the flag of the city of Barcelona. [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pichote (talk • contribs) 16:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

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