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[edit] Better Picture Needed

Is it really that hard to use a picture of a real car instead of the box art for a model based on a cartoon?

[edit] Cleanup and addition.

Added a reference to american sileighty conversions. I also commented out the lines about the "onevia" as that is more or less a figure of speech used by a select few still learning the concept. I plan on expanding this to as full of an article as possible, at least above stub levels. As a result I am right now looking for some good sources for more information as well as verification of the current info.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 22:22, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I added some information for you:

1: Sileighties were sold only during 1994. Estimates range from 400 to 4,000 (not 200 to 500), but 400 seems to be the more likely number. 2: Sileighties are distinguished by there rear nameplate 3: Sileighties are externally a 180sx TYPE-X with a Silvia K's front. All stock Sileighties can be seen featuring the 180sx Type-X rear tailights, side skirts, and rear spoiler. 4. 1989-199(1, I believe) 180sx's featured CA18DET's. All other 180sx's featured the S13 SR20DET. I'm not sure when the swap was made between the Redtop (early S13 engine) and the blacktop (which ran until 1998, parallel to the S14 Blacktop, a differently designed engine), but it was either in 1994 or 1995. The late-model redtop and all blacktops were essentially the same engine, however, so this distinction is not necessary, although the early redtops used a different method to idle the engine.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.177.161.13 (talk • contribs)

Estimates are estimates and just that unfortunately, I am currently trying to contact Nissan regarding this, but it seems that no one in the USDM division of Nissan Motor Co. has any clue as to what a sileighty even is, and usually not even the 180sx. My conversations have gone along the lines of "whats a sileighty" "a car with an S13 silvia front end bodywork on a 180sx." "180sx" "240 hatchback" "oh" Every sileighty I've ever seen, both factory and not have had 180sx on the rear dressplate still, but I could be wrong so I wont question it. You are definitely right on the CA issue, my bad. And the only difference between redtops and blacktops are the idle system like you said, really age. The S13 vs S14 blacktops are different however, the wireharnesses being the main issue.

Re: the recent addition of the infobox, I changed the note regarding reference to the official model to one that seems to cover the whole concept.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 10:56, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Changed info regarding "official" production with verified information through sources. I got most of this from the Nissan Infinity Car Owners Club of America, and its links. Some of the sources dont seem to be up anymore, so I'll omit their reference for now.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 00:54, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

==Relocation== I am considering relocating this page from Sileighty to Nissan Sileighty, but I am not sure if it is really sensible. Technically the car is not an actual model, and is just a variant of the RPS13 (180SX), or the respective Silvia depending on how you choose to look at it. The question is sortof whether or not it is an actual car model, or strictly a bodystyling (such as the Mustang Cobra, MR2 Spyder, etc. If it is only a styling it should probably remain Sileighty, but if it is considerable as a model it should be relocated to Nissan Sileighty to conform to most other automobile articles.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 09:10, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, the issue I have is that Nissan supposedly made an official copy of the Sileighty, but even that is speculative at best due to the problems of confirming the info (e.g. the Production figures ranges from 400 to 1000 according to some webpages and print media). Since the origin of the word resided with Tuners first, I think it should stay as-is. HOWEVER, if evidence can be provided that Nissan did in fact make one, then change it. --Cantthinkofausername 10:55, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Its about 99% verifiable that the only "official" Sileighties made were by Kids Heart and not Nissan. The issue with it is that they may have been sold through Nissan Dealers, or officially recognized by the company. Some seem to claim that Nissan comissioned the Kids Heart project but I see no evidence of that. I guess the real question is wether or not Nissan Motor ltd. or the government of Japan(such as Japan's equivalent of the United States Department of Transportation or RMV) recognize it as its own model.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 08:02, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Your call then. I only provided the template and added whatever info I could. My opinion is just leave it as is and maybe do a redirect from Nissan Sileighty page.--Cantthinkofausername 05:10, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

The article describes the production car as well as the modification. The production car is a Nissan Sileighty, the modification is Sileighty. The modification is debatably notable on its own, but the production car and its inclusion in video games make it notable. On the other side of the coin, there are far more owner-created Sileighties on the road on both sides of the Pacific than Nissan Sileighties, and the modification predates the production car by at least five years. It looks like this issue has been dropped, but should it come up again, I'd argue that the article shouldn't be moved only because it would serve no purpose. But there should be a redirect for sure. I just created one. AKADriver 22:16, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

There really was no production car. The matter is simply one of confusion and its ability to spread over the internet massively. The only models ever documented ass "official" in any sense of the word are the Kids Heart models. It is extremely debatable whether or not Kids Heart did so with sanction from nissan, and even if they did, unless it was on comission it would not really be a production model. --Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 06:04, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Nissan holds the trademarks for the name "Sileighty" internationally (so much as Polyphonics had to get the name from them); that's good enough verification for me. AKADriver 14:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

That doesn't mean they produced it. Its quite easy to register a trademark, and companies own a lot of trademarks that never get professionally used. Until someone can get proof of a Sileighty with a Nissan VIN somehow independent of Silva or 180sx VIN numbers, or until someone can get a statement from nissan, we shouldn't be treatng it as a fact.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 22:28, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Nissan is pretty famous for that sort of thing - registering tons and tons of trademarks. Nissan is also famous, though, for aggressively defending them. They wouldn't allow a guy named Uzi Nissan to use his last name on his website; they sued Audi for the use of the letter "Q"! What this means to me is that while Nissan absolutely did not assemble the car, if they held the trademark, they would aggressively prevent anyone else from using it without their express permission. I'll have to dig up nicer photos of the brochure again; it was a professionally-done thing, not a cheesy shop flyer. It looked a lot nicer than Kids Heart's website, that's for sure. AKADriver 18:51, 12 April 2006 (UTC) ps VINs won't tell you anything. Remember that Japanese VINs are just chassis code and serial number, they don't even have the manufacturer. They'd just read RPS13-xxxxxx.

I wouldn't relocate this article because of the Grand Turismo games.In GT4 they didn't put the Sileighty under the name of either manufacturer.Also if the owners of the cars came up with the idea,and the shop made it come true,Nissan had nothing to do with it,other than making both cars in the first place.By the way if you needed info hereit is.In the GT4 game you get the car by winning the Silvia Sisters races,and in GT2 you get it by winning the Clubman Cup races.Cupy 52040 18:05, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Please note that there apparently was an official Nissan Sileighty sales brochure, pics of which are to be found here: http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=25983&highlight=sil+eighty. It also confirms a limited edition of 500 cars. I was very much surprised by this, and it seems to back the notion that Nissan at least endorsed the SilEighty idea, even if it might not have originated with them. --328cia (talk) 01:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)