Talk:Shiba Inu

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Article Grading: The following comments were left by the quality and importance raters: (edit comments - comment history - watch comments · refresh this page) The article could use a more throrough examination of the subject in certain areas. While the general history of the shiba is present, some of the more specific details are not. A detailed section involving Shiba Inus as pets might be appropriate, but its a slippery slope to write one without turning it into some form of guidebook or advice section. The gallery needs a lot of work. Although I'm not a fan of them in general, it can probably stay to illustrate the physical traits of the breed and the different color patterns but it needs some serious trimming. Right now it is more of a pet photo album for anyone who has a picture of their Shiba.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 18:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

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Contents 1 Misc 2 Photos 3 Excited greeting 4 "red sesame" picture 5 "Little Brushwood Dog" 6 Horrible Shiba Picture 7 "Artlessness" 8 Shooting for Good Article status. 9 Christmas card use 10 Meaning 11 pluralization 12 price

[edit] Misc

Shiba inus are just like real-life teddybears! They have cute plump little faces that are just adorable.Yet Shiba Inu's are a bit hard to train but,so cute and cuddly.(just like other dogs it is best to train them when they are younger)

I just replaced the japanese name -- any reason why it was deleted? Ben White 5 July 2005 13:00 (UTC)

It got reverted again, and I just restored it - I did a few google searches, and the name seems to represent the Shiba. Trysha 22:09, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

If the Japanese name is going to be used, shouldn't it be "Shiba-ken" then? Since the 2nd character isn't read "inu" in that combination. Ef 09:37, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Sure? WWWJDIC gives the reading しばいぬ for 柴犬 Ben White 11:05, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Photos

Isn't that third Shiba picture excessive? It ruins the page's formatting.

A much better question for an encyclopedia is whether the photo adds more information. It's not the greatest photo (being from the back side) but it does show a different coat color and a different angle on the tail, giving another view of the breed. Elf | Talk 19:00, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I've trimmed the photo gallery section a little to try to just keep the more illustrative photos, but maybe some standing poses showing both sexes and some variety in colour would be best. Ben White 12:54, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I changed "Creamy white is a color not allowed by any major kennel club" to "Creamy white is a color penalized by most major kennel clubs in confirmation" for the simple fact that all kennel clubs that I am aware of would allow creams to participate in non-confirmation events. And the Canadian Kennel Club as of last year, had not penalized creams. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.149.216.213 (talk) 04:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Excited greeting

I've removed the following addition because in my experience it applies to many dogs of many breeds and is not, in fact, "an extraordinary personality trait of the Shiba":

One extraordinary personality trait of the Shiba is their intense greetings of their owner. Shibas have been known to 'scream' in delight, repeatedly in high pitched tones and then proceed to obtain the nearest item (usually a shoe) and run around the house with it. This burst of energy usually dissipates within minutes and the ever independent Shiba retreats to his/her special corner in the house for a nap.

Elf | Talk 03:06, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "red sesame" picture

Is there any reason to include this? The dog hardly looks like a red and tan shiba, much less a seasame. Look at the legs; should they be entirely white? I propose deletion.

"red sesame" is a real colour type for shiba inus. It is red and black hairs with red predominating in case you didn't know. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.68.39.16 (talk • contribs) 6 October 2006.

If this "red sesame" Shiba Inu (which hardly looks like a shiba) has to remain, then why not just put it in the photos section and use a photo of a Shiba that actually looks like a Shiba as the main photo (perhaps source one from the National Shiba Club of America http://shibas.org - check copyrights obviously, I'm sure they would be happy to supply) or use one of the OTHER photos in the gallery . I have had a lot of people researching the dog (who use wikipedia for this end) and believe that it is ugly just off the main photograph, which is compleatly incorrect. If the photo of the Shiba HAS to be a red and sesame (as the RESPONSE seems to indicate) there are A LOT of better photos available (even try a google search and pick ANY picture that comes up). I understand that there are three main colour types of Shiba - Red, Red Sesame and Black and Tan (sometimes there are even White ones!). This dog looks like a hybrid mix of some form of cainine species and a ferret, not a Shiba. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bern aus (talk • contribs) 5 November 2006.

[edit] "Little Brushwood Dog"

I found the "Little Brushwood Dog" name to be a bit odd, but upon checking a few sites I did indeed find this name mentioned. Is there anyone who knows in what context this literal translation of the dog's name is used? CES 15:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Horrible Shiba Picture

Can someone please change the horrible title picture of the Shiba Inu? If I saw it on the street I wouldn't think it was a Shiba at all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.245.201.162 (talk • contribs) 19 January 2007.

Sheesh... done -- now using the image from ja:Shiba Inu, as found on Commons. Ben White 13:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Ben, your the best!

[edit] "Artlessness"

What exactly does "artlessness" imply? Lack of finesse, or what? Perhaps the article should elaborate on these "terms with subtle interpretations"? WolfieInu 14:35, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Added Wiktionary link ... does that answer your question? Idsfa 04:06, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

The second wiktionary definition is a good one, but there really is a surprising amount of writing by judges and breeders in Japan about those "aesthetic ideals". Perhaps the translation "artlessness" could be replaced by "lack of artifice" or "free from artificiality" though. Ben White 10:09, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks... I'll opt for the first two definitions, I think  :) -- WolfieInu 19:27, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shooting for Good Article status.

It might be nice to get this to Good Article status, and beyond. The first step to that would be to take any possible OR statements and figure out whether or not they can be sourced, and where to do it. Several have already been done by someone (thanks for that BTW) and I have marked a few more. Another note of concern is the gallery, that might not fly well on GA, and the opinion majority on that has changed a couple times in the past so its something to look into. If it needs to be cut down or removed, it might be good to develop an attempt at consensus on what stays before we start pruning the gallery and integrating the choice images into the article. Like I said I'm not familiar on the most up to date policies regarding galleries, so it may be perfectly acceptable. This article may also need sections added to it to flesh out its encyclopedic value. If anyone has any input on that it would be great!--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 21:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I put in a bunch more of the references. Still trying to hunt down a good "Shiba Scream" reference, but with hundreds of hits on Google it is harder to find a good source. It's darned near "common knowledge". (And I can personally attest to it. Razzafrazza original research rules ...) As to the gallery, I'd rather no more than one example of each coloration or conformation feature, near where it is described, picking the image which best displays the standard. Idsfa 02:15, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I added another reference for the scream. As for pictures int he gallery, here's what I (keeping in mind this is all opinion) think we should be keeping and getting rid of. First, I'd like to get away from anything with a leash or harness. Unless the image shows something important that none of the others do I feel it distracts from the more encyclopedic nature of the article. As a whole the gallery seems to me just a spot for users to upload and showcase pictures of their Shiba. I can understand where that desire comes from, and heck I'd throw a picture or two of mine up here if I didn't know better, but we have to dig in somewhere. these images I definitely think don't belong.

• • • Image:MinaChew.jpg - Maybe its just the angle, but this doesn't seem like a very good example to describe the breed. It doesn't showcase the characteristics of a Shiba Inu, seems to me just a puppy shot instead of an encyclopedic image illustrating the traits of the dog.
    • Image:SakeVogue.jpg and Image:Raithe.jpg - I think we should pick one of these. The purpose of either would be to illustrate the cream/pinto colour which is already covered in another picture so two is redundant. Its not like the coloration or markings change significantly with age.
    • Image:VegasOutside.JPG - As I mentioned earlier, the leash thing. Also, it doesn't really seem to illustrate anything that another image already present doesn't.
    • Image:Sumo_ondeck_July06.jpg, Image:Sly by Fohx.jpg, Image:DSC014015.JPG (this one says its red sesame but I see only red), and Image:Scoobie sideview3.gif all seem to just be puppy shots, of the same general coloring. I think we could do with just one of these.

--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 15:00, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I have also rated the article on the project scale, with comments here--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 15:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Christmas card use

I think that somewhere in this article there should be a topic on the shiba inus use on christmas cards. Anyone else agree? November 1 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.139.14.139 (talk) 01:18, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Meaning

The kanji that is used in "Shiba Inu"

are the kanji for: "gather" and "Dog"

A shiba inu is a gathering dog. (hunting) 69.215.155.4 (talk) 03:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

As with most japanese, there is more than one way to translate it.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 21:26, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] pluralization

Since "Shiba Inu" is a Japanese word, it doesn't fallow English pluralization rules. The plural form of Shiba Inu is Shiba Inu the same goes for the words when used by themselves. Therefore I have changed "Shibas" to "Shiba" and "Inus" to "Inu" 69.215.155.4 (talk) 03:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a source for this? The colloquial usage is "Shibas" and "Shiba Inus" and it should stay that way unless it is definitively shown otherwise.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 21:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, could we have some sort of site for this? I belong to 3 groups, and own one myself, and we always say "Shibas" as the plural. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.139.14.139 (talk) 21:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_plural> Hit Ctrl+F and type in japanese to find the section where it talks about japanese plurals.

Even if shiba inu had a plural, it would be with an "s." 69.215.155.4 (talk) 02:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles)#Pluralization. Oda Mari (talk) 04:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] price

How much should one expect to pay for a eight week old shiba? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.12.12.75 (talk) 18:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Well when I got my Shiba Inu she was a year old and cost $700 and the breeder sold puppies for $800 Canadian (Dirrtypittie (talk) 17:06, 3 May 2008 (UTC))