Talk:Sepak takraw
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[edit] Future Progress
Okay, everyone. I think this article has a lot of promise, but to move forward we are going to need better sources. I can provide other sources, but they are all written in Thai. I am not sure if it is valid if I translate those and put them into English on a wiki article. Can anyone answer this question for me? It would also be great if there were other wikipedians who were fluent in Malay, Vietnamese, Tagalog, or any other language where its native country has a thriving takraw community. These people can help find other sources that are written in their language that can contribute to our article. The Thai Wikipedia also has an article on takraw, but hardly anything is written on it; our English version is better. Hopefully, that is something I can help develop on that website, too.FLYTHAI 07:50, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Citations
Hello everyone. Going through to add citations throughout the article. It seems like many of the references have only been put in the "External Links" section. FLYTHAI 02:21, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Added "Rules and Regul."
I added a "rules and regulation" section for international competition. As this section grows, we may consider putting it in a separate article by itself and have a link to it while we sumamrize the main objectives of takraw in this article.FLYTHAI 02:21, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Hoop Takraw Separate???
I want to suggest that Hoop Takraw be put in a separate article by itself. Yes, there are some similarities with the moves and the ball, but really a totally different game. The objectives and goals are totally different. We can add Hoop takraw in a links section of Sepak Takraw. FLYTHAI 11:02, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Thai term for Takraw
Hello everyone!!! I am very excited to see a wiki article on one of my favorite sports. I made a small edit with regards to the term "Takraw" in Thai. The article had stated the term "Takraw" (ตะกร้อ) means either "ball" or "basket". This information may have been taken from this article http://www.tatnews.org/emagazine/2813.asp written by Shawn Kelley. I would agree with the majority of the article, but there are some minor discrepancies. In modern and current Thai society, the term "Takraw" is just simply the name of the sport. It by no means gives the meaning or connotation of the general term "ball" or "basket". To emphasize specificity, "luktakraw" (ลูกตะกร้อ) is used to name the ball used in Thai takraw - "luk" when added with a name of a sport is modifed to "ball". Also depending on context of Thai speech, "luk" may be dropped and the word "takraw" alone can be understood to mean a specific actual takraw rattan ball, rather any ball (basketball, golfball, etc) in general. As for the claim of takraw meaning "basket," the Thai term for "basket" is "takraa" (ตะกร้า), which can never be mistaken by the Thai ear for the different sounding "Takraw" (ตะกร้อ) - very different Thai vowels sounds. Now given the similar way baskets and luktakraws are tradionally hand woven in Thai culture, it may not be a too far-fetched idea that one may have influenced the other or may have even derived originally from the other. But in current Thai society, they have no meanings towards one another.
http://www.thai-language.com/id/139971
http://www.thai-language.com/id/132165
Cheers!!! FLYTHAI 10:51, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
'Bold text'== Scoring ==
I watched a lot of Sepaktakraw at the Asian Games and just updated the scoring section with how it was handled at the Games. I don't know if that is standard scoring in other tournaments though. 89.211.33.250 11:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC) Gameswatcher
"Scoring
There's a discrepancy here. Some report the following:"
What are the other ways of keeping score? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.192.165.208 (talk • contribs) .
- In my opinion, the first thing that it would be good to have would be a citation for who says that in the first place. With that, we can probably lose the unsourced comments about discrepancy. Cheers --Pak21 08:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- See "Scoring System" on the English Sepak Takraw Association's site. Cheers --Pak21 10:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- It is the new scoring system for sepak takraw which same with ping pong scoring system. - Idan, Malaysia —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.111.22.58 (talk) 16:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Syntax changes
At external links, changed
Sepak Takraw Informations
to
Sepak Takraw Information
Information is a collective noun. Pluralisation of collective nouns is rarely used unless to denote multiple types.
[edit] Merge?
Should this page be merged with that of Takraw? I don't see any difference between the two, and the Sepak Takraw page is better developed. Added on the takraw talk page on 4 Apr 2006 by User:70.177.176.222.
- I agree, and I added from/to designations to show which way the merge should go. Bruxism 06:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Support as well. The article says it, Takraw is short for Sepak Takraw. --ChaChaFut 07:17, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
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- well it might be different in different places, but in Thailand it appears that takraw is the overarching category, that both hoop takraw and sepak takraw fall into, so maybe the focus of the takraw page is wrong, it may very well then be redundant for the time being, however if sepak takraw and hoop takraw were ever seperated into two different pages then it would need to be rethought... I'd suggest getting rid of the old page Nearlyasian (talk) 07:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
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- I stumbled on Buka ball looking for this page. It seams to describe Takraw to a much lesser extent. I could be completely off base on this, take it easy! Zenhooloovoo (talk) 23:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] history of rattan ball
Does anyone have any info about the history of the rattan takraw ball itself? They are a really outstanding piece of geometric design (I've spent many hours studying them and mapping different other patterns on to them in texta) and I'm curious as to whether they predate western influences.
I'd be happy to add a paragraph to this article about the geometry of the ball, as I've analysed it, but I'd feel better knowing the historical side first.
Ben D R 04:41, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Earliest History about Sepak Takraw is in Malay not in Thailand
Hello everybody. How come the earliest history record in manuscript that has been written around 15th century in Malay Annals(Sejarah Melayu)about the sepak raga(the earliest name before changed to sepak takraw)did not written on this Sepak Takraw History article? Actually the Malay Annals(Sejarah Melayu) has been written on Malacca's Sultanate. The original name for Sejarah Melayu is Hikayat Melayu. If someone wants to know about it, please check it out from the Malay historian.
The Malay manuscript record for Sepak Raga(Sepak Takraw) even more earlier than the mural on the wall in Thailand. This is because the game of Sepak Raga(the name before changed to Sepak Takraw)was created on the era of Malacca's Sultanate. Actually Malacca's Sultanate included Southern Thailand, West Malaysia and almost all Sumatera land.
Probably the game entered the Siamese by Southern Thai Malays.
Master of Books 11:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] External links
I'm not sure if it is appropriate, but The Onion News Network has a marvelous ESPN style story on Sepak Takraw—Ngyuen Thi Buch Thuy: 'Just Give Me The Damn Sepak Takraw Ball'—that is hilarious just because it is done completely straight. (Obviously somebody on their staff is a great fan.)
The relevance of this is, that this might well be the first time many Americans even hear about Sepak Takraw. The topic was obviously picked just because it is so utterly foreign to their normal audience while still being a all-in-all fairly conventional sport based on elements that just about everybody is familiar with. I personally had never heard about Sepak Takraw before watching the video, but I found the images of the sport fascinating enough to go and look it up and do some research. I expect others to do the same, so including the link to the video in the External links section might be useful. --j (talk) 09:28, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with this. I did the same and found this sport to be crazy. Simply a crazy sport.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.124.84.194 (talk) 20:00, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- After watching The Onion's "report," I too became curious, and you're right, it was the first time I heard of it (looks like fun). I've made and uploaded a public domain diagram of the court. I hope it's useful and accurate (I'll fix it if it's not). I would have liked to also upload a Thai language version, but I don't speak it and I couldn't find the text to copy and paste.
- As for adding the link, it might be misleading since I doubt that the people mentioned in the story exist. – jaksmata 19:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
