Talk:Sangh Parivar

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Hi Boud,

I don't like making too big a deal of expressing admiration for Mussolini, et al. A lot of people did this in the years before WWII, and I don't think it should be given too much meaning. It's easy in hindsight to say, "look, they supported those evil fascists", but at the time it wasn't necessarily clear what it was they were supporting.

Also it's a cheap shot, a discrediting tactic like, "They support/think like/associated with Nazis!", in violation of Godwin's Law. There's plenty to be said about the Sangh, but can we not make fascist links such a big part of it? Their OWN ideology is, ah, interesting enough without resorting to "guilt by association" smears, do you agree? Graft 17:36, 27 Oct 2003 (UTC)

The Sangh promote negative stereotypes about muslims and are directly implicated in a pogrom of at least 2000 Muslims in Gujarat in 2002. This is about 3000 times less deadly than the Holocaust as a racist-based massacre, but it seems to me fairly NPOV to consider the Sangh as part of the fascist tradition. i agree that it might not be tactical to call the Sangh fascist, after all, this is why the mainstream western media don't use that term for the Sangh, but wikipedia is supposed to be NPOV AFAIK. Boud 22:05, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Uh, since the IDRF is really a Sangh front group, is it really appropriate to consider them a group which funds the Sangh, as if they have any life of their own? Graft 14:56, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Well, in the present version there's no comment on IDRF, but unless we have some published statement from a credible source saying that IDRF is really just part of the Sangh, then IMHO it's more NPOV to stick to saying that the IDRF support the Sangh. Better stick to the better supported claims IMHO. Boud 22:05, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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I see that User:68.161.149.207 blanked most of this page, but since s/he didn't blank the whole thing, it may not have been vandalism. I'm restoring it for now, but the text I restored seems like it might not be sufficiently NPOV and could do with a rewrite. Any takers? Rebrane 06:51, Apr 6, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] reporting half baked one

here i am seeing the reports of half baked one

u r mentioning the in the web page of sangh parivar "Gujart riots", y not u mention the good activities carried out by sangh - The number of schools run by sangh, number hospitals, number of social activities.

This is what we called as Biased

If you can muster up the requisite grammatical skills (doubful), perhaps you would be up to the task of adding appropriate text about said good activities to the article. Alternatively, you might check out the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh article, which actually does mention some of these things. Graft 21:58, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The comment here i am seeing is most likely by someone from India who uses English as a national language but not as his/her native language. While personally i think that the writer is trying to (unsuccessfully) justify the existence of a fascist organisation, and i find this extremely painful, i nevertheless think there is no need to criticise him/her for not using standard English. Boud 22:05, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sangh is not facsist Bakaman%% 16:51, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tried to NPOV

I was going to revert some edits by an anon, trying to justify the Sangh, and then I decided that the previous version was somewhat POV. I share that POV -- I loathe the Sangh, the RSS, and everything they stand for -- but I think there's no reason to load the dice. Let readers make up their own minds. Zora 03:11, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

I was going to make some edits to try and fix some anomalies I think you introduced, but I note that this article now has a considerable overlap with Hindutva, and to its detriment (that is, Hindutva covers the material better). Shall we gut it and start over with some more detail? I must admit my knowledge of organisational history is weak. Graft 20:51, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

You probably know more than I do on this subject, so go ahead. I was concerned to correct what I saw as problems, but I didn't see the larger picture the way you do. Proceed fearlessly -- I won't object if my precious prose disappears <g>. Zora 03:50, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

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Fascism and the Sangh

Fascism - a very strong word .. A philosophy or system of government that is marked by stringent social and economic control, a strong, centralized government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of belligerent nationalism. ----

Though I personally detest the policies of the Sangh, ( valentine s day riots in Pune for one) , I do not thing the Sansh fits this description of being "fascist". Any opinions people.

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--Nuttysocrates 08:11, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. I too do not think the sangh fits this description as they do not campaign against the followers of religions like Buddhism and Sikihism, thereby not meeting the criteria required to be described as a fascist organisation, namely a belief in only one form of government and the imposition of state control over every aspect of social life...(Saurabhb 21:53, 21 January 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Pro Business ?

Are they really pro business ? The seem like a populist group to me.

It's a conservative group. Of course they're Pro-Business. Look at what the BJP has done. Also there's no space between Business and ?. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.196.160 (talk) 21:45, 27 September 2007 (UTC)