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Contents 1 No 2 {{Oldprodfull}} 3 it wasn't vandalism 4 Sequence (journal) 5 Dai Shi 6 WFAL 7 Speedy A1 8 Thanks for removing speed deletion on Josette Normandeau 9 Jinx (novel) 10 Moon in Capricorn 11 A.B. Purani 12 albums 13 Re: ANI thread from DGG's page 14 Release dates in Template:Infobox_Album 15 Evanescence and piano rock

[edit] No

My edit to Matoran was NOT vandalism. -Karaku (talk) 02:37, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

you might want to know policy before messing with tags. Ridernyc (talk) 12:38, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

It's not vandalism. It's the opposite. BZPower is reliable. -Karaku (talk) 05:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] {{Oldprodfull}}

Hello, Ridernyc ... please see Talk:Marie Slaughter and tell me what you think of my newly created Template:Oldprodfull ... would you use it, or update it if you encountered it?

[edit] it wasn't vandalism

I was documenting australian hiphop culture, not vandalising. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OrangeDeoxys (talk • contribs) 10:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, what are your thoughts on my proposed WP:FLAG-BIO protocol?

Happy Editing! — 72.75.72.63 (talk · contribs) _{13:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)}

[edit] Sequence (journal)

I saw you tagged the article Sequence (journal) with four issues

• Unreferenced
• Notability
• Short lead
• Cleanup

The article is marked as stub. In any stub article, Cleanup and Short lead tags are not needed because stubs may not have any lead at all. And cleanup tags are not applied in stubs. I just wanted to tell these facts regarding new page patrol. Cheers. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 17:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

The notability of Sequence is not in question. I'll add to the article as I make progress on the main project, Lindsay Anderson. --Tony Sidaway 17:36, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

when there are no references and no claims to notability yes notability is in question.17:37, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Do you know anything about British cinema of the second half of the twentieth century? --Tony Sidaway 17:40, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dai Shi

I'm working on this article, it's not a test article like the other ones. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grounded into a double play (talk • contribs) 04:44, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Now why would someone block me for making test articles? Such pages are usually deleted, but why would someone want to block me for create an article about a TV character? Grounded into a double play (talk)

[edit] WFAL

I don't appreciate your request to delete when you clearly haven't checked the history of the page, i added info about college sports and also a link for references I've talked to covus cornix about proper citations, etc.--Sbkbg (talk) 00:14, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

if you check the discussion page of the article, i noted that I fixed the issues, by providing outside sources... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbkbg (talk • contribs) 03:33, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

ok, wiki says tags can be removed when the issue is solved, I also noted that they were fixed on the articles talk page. and i already presented a valid argument for keeping, all i did was some minor edits to a page created like 3 years ago... you said there was no sources so i cited sources, wiki does not specify what kinda news paper.. I'm taking this higher then some wiki bully like you!--Sbkbg (talk) 03:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I haven't added anything you wouldn't find in other articles, I have added any personal promotion, etc. just a few minor edits and updated info. check the previous versions and see what i changed, NOTHING. obviously you're the only one that has a problem in however long the article has been around for. COI is not the same a primary souces i.e an expert on the topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbkbg (talk • contribs) 04:00, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I just reviewed COI and I am right, just because I know the org. doesn't make it self promo or advertising... if i put something like WFAL is the best radio station ever! then i could see why someone would be upset. But I added a few new details and updates. --Sbkbg (talk) 04:04, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I saw the COI tag, I'm not the creator, I put less than a paragraph of info into it.--Sbkbg (talk) 04:25, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

You have an amazing ability at selective reading "The creator of this article, or someone who has substantially contributed to it, may have a conflict of interest regarding its subject matter." The article is 4 paragraphs long, you say you contributed 1 paragraph, that would be 25% of the article including all it's sources pretty substantial contribution to it. Ridernyc (talk) 04:28, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not going to count the words, it's prob less than a paragraph, mostly sources, and such. The station has numerous shows during the day and also carries BGSU and local high school sporting events. and The station is primarily used for students wishing to persue jobs in the radio and communications industry to gain first hand knowlege and experience on operations of a radio station and shows. Def not COI! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbkbg (talk • contribs) 04:33, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

wow, you just don't go away, I am however I have better things to do than argue with you, THE ONLY PERSON VANDALIZING WIKIPEDIA IS YOU!!--Sbkbg (talk) 05:08, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy A1

"The reason given is: It is a very short article lacking sufficient context to identify the subject of the article. (CSD A1)." means what it says--if you can tell what the article is about , it does not fit-- as was the case for A.B. Purani. The only way to get rid of these is prod or afd. I know they're a nuisance. DGG (talk) 14:37, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I actually really could not tell at all what they were about. I know they were a bit long but I still felt they were covered by A1. Ridernyc (talk) 02:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for removing speed deletion on Josette Normandeau

Hi, thanks for removing the speedy deletion tag on the Josette Normandeau article. I really coldn't write more than a stub, because I didn't have any more info or references to source, which is why I put the stub tag on in the first place; but Realkyhick obviously didn't bother to do any research before requesting speedy deletion...I'm not sure why he couldn't be bothered to type those 18 characters in to Google, but thanks for doing so yourself. Srajan01 (talk) 07:44, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jinx (novel)

AFD, but WP:BOOK's nutshell gives 6 points to examine notabilty, and this book fails all six. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 19:50, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Still better to AFD then to prod. You would be amazed at how much lack of concensus there is for the notability guidelines. For example try getting rid of an article on a local politician citing WP:BIO, they almost always survive AFD. Ridernyc (talk) 19:55, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, I thought my prods were clear enough, but I don't know who deletes them 'after 5 days,' so maybe it's fairer to use AFD... Gotta think about this, as this author's got nearly every title articled up, and they can't ALL be notable... - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 20:00, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

some would argue that if the author is notable their works are notable. You have to remember guidelines are just that guidelines, they are not policy. Ridernyc (talk) 20:02, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Moon in Capricorn

Do you have/know of substantial coverage in reliable sources for this one? - Mdsummermsw (talk) 20:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Have you looked? Before you prod'd it?

I could not find substantial coverage in reliable sources. I am hoping that you have something to add. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 21:30, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

It's a project worked on by Donovan during the height of his a career I'm sure there is information out ther about but it's not the type of information that would be easily found online. Hence why it should be tagged for notability and left for someone to try and improve. You have to keep in mind that sources like Rolling Stone and Melody Maker, which is where most of the information for something like this would come from do not have back catalogs online. Ridernyc (talk) 21:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A.B. Purani

No offence, but I did think things got a bit bitey for the article creator. Wonder if we'll see them again? --Paularblaster (talk) 23:10, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Don't see what's bitey about nominating an article for speedy that at the time was poorly written and had no assertion of notability. If you notice I'm the only one that felt that way, since someone else prod'd the article, and an administrator deleted his other article. If you ever do a new page patrol you would realize it somewhat hard to be nice and hand holding. On that particular night there was 10 page back of pages to check. 23:19, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] albums

Unfortunately I have no way of guessing whether a music album is likely to be notable unless something very clear is shown that makes for notability (or the opposite). this rather tends to handicap me in discussing them or looking through them :) DGG (talk) 02:47, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I know what you are saying. There are some in that that I suspect should not have been deleted. If you can just look at any that have the name of an artist you recognize in the title. If you just find a few that were questionable deletions that might be enough to get more people to pay attention. Why that Butthole Sufers album has been deleted is mystery to me. Ridernyc (talk) 02:53, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: ANI thread from DGG's page

I'm replying here cause DGG's page is too damn long.

Keep in mind that AN/I is an inherently antagonistic place, plus you can't really discipline an editor for taking good-faith, procedurally acceptable actions that at least a certain segment of the community agrees with.

However, all you need to overturn a prod at DRV is one admin willing to hear you out. Help me with the details (the names of the articles to undelete and a couple of examples of his AfDs that got shot down) and I'll submit the request.--Father Goose (talk) 11:17, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll take look, if you want to start, the best way is to go to User:Mdsummermsw, take a look at the large section redlinks. I would take a look at anything that mentions the name of an artist you recognize as being notable. If it's an officially released album I would say it's a good candidate for deletion review. Also anything that is unreleased with an imminent release date, he likes to use WP:Music and WP:Crystal to get rid of articles even if they have relaibel sources and a firm release date. . Those are the easy ones to spot I'll start looking through the list and picking out things and doing as much research as I can on my part and list them here. As I pointed in the AN/I I already found After the Astronaut, After the Astronaut (album), After the Astronaut (Butthole Surfers), After the Astronaut (Butthole Surfers album), I can only imagine that he prod'd this an non-notable album. If he sees just a track listing he prod's rather then mark for improvement or redirect. I look through and find more examples it will take me awhile though. Ridernyc (talk) 11:29, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[Human Highway (album)]], Human Highway (Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young album), Human Highway (Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young), Human Highway (CSNY album), Human Highway (CSNY), Human Highway (CSN album), Human Highway (CSN), Human Highway (Crosby, Stills & Nash album), Human Highway (Crosby, Stills & Nash), Human Highway (Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young album), Human Highway (Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young), Human Highway (Crosby, Stills and Nash album), Human Highway (Crosby, Stills and Nash) an unreleased album by a notable band that has numerous hits on google books [1], [2].

These AFD's show a concensus for keeping these articles Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Homegrown_(album), Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Chrome_Dreams, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Hastily_Cobbled_Together_for_a_Fast_Buck_Album. Ridernyc (talk) 11:43, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Household Objects, Household Objects (album), Household Objects (Pink Floyd), Household Objects (Pink Floyd album), another unreleased album pord's for not having coverage in sources, this search result on google books shows this it has plenty of sources [3]. Ridernyc (talk) 11:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Dream Factory, Dream Factory (album), Dream Factory (Prince), Dream Factory (Prince and the Revolution), Dream Factory (Prince album), Dream Factory (Prince and the Revolution album), another unreleased album with multiple sources [4], [5], [6], Ridernyc (talk) 12:01, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Decade (unreleased album) , Decade (Michael Jackson), Decade (unreleased Michael Jackson album) ,Decade (Michael Jackson album), looking at the google cache of this page it was already sourced, plus [7], [8], [9]. Ridernyc (talk)

Camille (album), Camille (Prince album), Camille (Camille), Camille (Camille album), [10], [11],

Ridernyc (talk) 12:41, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Release dates in Template:Infobox_Album

Please comment in the discussion at Template_talk:Infobox_Album#Release_date. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 13:53, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Per your concerns, I have move my deletion tracking info to a backwater page. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 14:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

funny how you do this right after people start checking your deletions and getting ready to send them to deletion review. Ridernyc (talk) 14:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I just came back to add a link to the edit. Should you need it for whatever reason, the page is still up (and will be maintained) here. For deletion review purposes, please note that the multiple listings you see on that page for one album are a result of the way you are looking at them. After the Astronaut, After the Astronaut (album), After the Astronaut (Butthole Surfers), and After the Astronaut (Butthole Surfers album) represent one deletion. The multiple listing guard against my missing a repost under an alternate title, as has happened repeatedly with "Lovechild", "Bitch Music", and several others. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 14:13, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm fully aware that those are all for one deletion. I listed all the variations to be sure that I actually listed the the link that would show the rationale for deletion. Ridernyc (talk) 14:15, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

The links in the Deletions section should show the original article's title. Generally, they are links to the PROD and/or AfD warnings on the creating editors' talk pages. (Those editors mostly didn't get involved, but a few did. They might be able to help you with your quest.) - Mdsummermsw (talk) 15:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Weird your right that should work but in some cases it seems to not work. It leads me to page that simply explains wikipedia has no article on this subject, not the normal article creation page. Ridernyc (talk) 15:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what is happening for you, but by clicking the link Deletions, I got to the right section and the few I checked linked right back to the Talk warnings.

In any event, for what it's worth - if anything! - I took a quick look at my deletions and came up with a few editors that I seem to remember having "something to say" about the articles they created. These are only from those where the deletion actually occurred and where the editor's name rang a bell for me: User talk:Rjaklitsch, User talk:Soccermeko, User_talk:Lilwaynefan08, User talk:Mizery Made, User talk:Nekoangel16, User talk:Mrgreen520, User talk:MistaTee, User talk:CrazyCrackCool, User talk:TUF-KAT, User talk:Dopefish, User talk:Cosprings, User talk:Nekoangel17.

If you decide to contact any of them, a few words of caution are probably in order. Lilwaynefan08 and CrazyCrackCool are either banned or frequently blocked. They might be socks of Soccermeko, who seems to be heading there. Nekoangel16 and Nekoangel17 were listed as possible socks as well, but seem to not have anything to say about it. All one to five of them might have something to say that might be useful information-wise, but won't be the best company to bring on any trips to arbitration/admin intervention/whatever. Dopefish was either the perpetrator or the target of a recent incident that went to the admins. Cosprings either came around and wants me to help with something or is trying to get me to do something stupid (I'm not sure which yet). Infostorm (not listed above) is also involved with the Soccermeko mess.

Mdsummermsw (talk) 16:24, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Not really concerned with that I think providing sources and showing recent AFD outcomes is enough to get them listed at AFD. Just want to make sure they get a chance to have people voice there opinions on the mater. Ridernyc (talk) 16:43, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Evanescence and piano rock

I have noticed that you have removed Evanescence from the list of artists on piano rock. Have you noticed that they're still listed under the "Grammys" section? Just wondering. I haven't listened to Evanescence for years, but their article says they're influenced by piano rock, so if they really make significant use of piano it would not be quite unreasonable to add them there. That description is certainly lightyears closer than "gothic metal". Florian Blaschke (talk) 22:49, 20 March 2008 (UTC)