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It seems pretty silly to name this page Pietro Maximoff, which is not how anyone thinks of this character. It should get moved to Quicksilver (comics) or something like that. mhr

• I moved the page from Pietro Maximoff to Quicksilver (comics). -mhr 02:26, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

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I removed info from the page, which seems way too detailed for an encyopedic entry on a fictional character, and also seems suspiciously like something lifted directly from a volume of Marvel Universe or something (and therefore a copyright violation). -mhr 02:30, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Contents 1 Personal History 2 Terrigen powers in Son of M 3 About the "this document uses the past tense. ..." 4 Small Tidy-up 5 Powers 6 Corrections 7 Literature 8 Fair use rationale for Image:SonofM-2.jpg 9 Fair use rationale for Image:Quicksilver.png 10 New image? 11 New miniseries 12 Infobox image (Jun `08) 12.1 Side question

[edit] Personal History

The page says nothing about his personal history (not including the evo version). Does anyone who knows a lot about him want to add anything? DrBat 18:51, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

I'm editing the portions of the page that state that his speed is 175 mph, as he has broken the sound barrier several times. If you dispute this check the Marvel.com official website, and this happens in several Avengers issues. Thanos2099

[edit] Terrigen powers in Son of M

I took the end of Son of M to indicate that Quicksilver sees his place in the future, having those Terrigen powers, not that he has them now. This is opposite what is said in the article currently. --Chris Griswold 17:38, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I interpreted the end to be this: Quicksilver bathes himself in the mists for weeks. As a result, the crystals even become a part of his own physiology. Because of this prolonged exposure, he is able to jump incredibly far in the future, and he sees some sort of terrible destruction that further unhinges his mind. Moreover, as a by-product he now has the ability to restore the power of mutants, as in the case of the man on the street (who was actually the mutant known as Reaver) at the end of the story.

That's my reading of it, anyway. Anyone else have any ideas? - Bhissong 20:40, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd say that he can now induce Terrengenisis (or however it's spelt) in other people, whether there mutants or not, just like the crystals. As to if he fully restores people's powers or the same thing happens as in the SoM miniseries, that has yet to be seen. I personally think that he jumped to the end of Civil War (comics), and that what he saw (which may have included himself) damaged his mind further. Heck, he may have even seen his death. Which brings up the issue of if he really is time traveling, or just some facsimily, as in the Marvel Universe time travel creates alterate dimentions. JQF 00:24, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I am interested to see whether Quicksilver with the powers is from now or from the future. --Chris Griswold 07:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Bhissong is correct. And he can't jump backwards CG, only forwards and only temporarily. - SoM 03:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Right...I didn't say he could. What I am saying is that Quicksilver talks about seeing his place in the future, and then it shows him in that future time. I took that to mean we were seeing what he was: a future version of himself. --Chris Griswold 03:33, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

88.218.25.207 01:55, 24 April 2007 (UTC) quicksilver does not come back at the excact same place that he left, he comes back at the place we was while in the future (as explaned in son of m 2). I corrected the powers page.

The explanation he gives in Silent War is clear : there's an unseen scene in Son of M that we learn about in Silent War. After his weeks of exposure to the terrigen mists, he took the remains of the crystals and put them in the flesh of his chest, thus getting the ability to to induce Terrengenesis through touch. That means the "powers and abilities" section is wrong : the crystals don't "grow out of his body", the bits we see are the ones he put there himself. I'm editing it.

Another thing : he states clearly that the future he can jump towards is the one that WILL happen, one that cannot be changed whatever one does. He tried to alter it, but always failed. 89.80.129.107 (talk) 11:34, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] About the "this document uses the past tense. ..."

How does using present tense consistently more clearly differentiate between the past and the present-tense sections of a biographical document? I consider this to be counter-intuitive. If one finds oneself referring to the past here and then the present and then the past, even moreso. I look at the statement at the top of the main (bio) page and think that things have been dropped unside ip. Schissel | Sound the Note! 01:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• This isn't the place to take up that issue. It's Wikipedia policy. You need to look up the discussion and article concerning the policy. Doczilla 21:37, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Small Tidy-up

I've tidied up some of the newly added PH, most notably by leading with dates and using present tense. Culled an image as presentation-wise it was too much, and trimmed a few sentences with some POV, unnecessary tidbits and no sources.

Asgardian 09:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Powers

Asgardian and anonymous: Rather than endlessly reverting back and forth on this, how about a compromise? Since Quicksilver is generally well-known for his original superspeed power, why not include that in the infobox with the precursor "Formerly:"? --GentlemanGhost 01:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Corrections

That makes sense. All depowered mutants on wikipedia have a description of the powers they had. Just because he has new powers doesn't make his decades of fictional history irrelevant.

Also, how does vibrating molecules get you time duplicates? Or get you back from the future? Isn't he just time traveling? Where's the citation on that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.107.156.215 (talk) 00:01, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Literature

Quicksilver is a character of literature. His timeline is not nearly as important as the cultural impact of the literature of his appearances as a whole. Therefore, if you are arguing that everything except his most "recent appearances" is irrelevant, you seem to be confusing him with a real person (and even real people have history in their entries). Quicksilver has appeared in hundreds of comics using superspeed powers. That is relevant. It's what he is known for and what his name describes. Deleting a few sentences about the character's historical description (while other characters currently depowered -- Magneto, for instance, or Protigy -- retain desciptions of their historical character) is dubious, at best, and most likely clearly incorrect. The total impact of Quicksilver as a character in comic literature is decades as a speedster mutant, and not whatever happened to him over the last months. If anything should be shortened, therefore, it is the current status that may, in the end, be a blip in the character's total history. So stop deleting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.0.196.186 (talk) 18:20, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

That is all complete rubbish. Quicksilver is not a speed character anymore. He has lost that power, and the whole point of this site is to keep things up to date with what is CURRENT, and since he is no longer a speedster, it makes absolutely zero sense to keep talking about him as if he still is one. And it is also completely unneeded to continue to go into detail about his powers as if he still has them when they no longer exist. You also have no reason to say that what is currently going on will be nothing but a "blip" because you have no proof of that. So until he either gets his speed powers back or gets new ones, then it is you who needs to stop changing the article to stuff that is no longer relevant.68.34.51.231 19:50, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Terms like "rubbish" is, perhaps, your replacement for reason? It doesn't overrule the major cultural impact of a the character if, say, Sherlock Holmes was once written early on as a user of cocaine, or if he was written late to be a crossdresser. Those might be interesting sidenotes but, as a character of literature, it's his total impact as a solver of mysteries that is most relevant, without regard to what came last. You would not delete his mystery solving because his last appearance is "most current" and, similarly, the orignal creater of Quicksilver, who is not the one constantly adapting him, made Quicksilver relevent by Wikipedia standards before the period you appear to be obsessing over. Your "what is CURRENT" is your obsession, not Wikipedias. Continue to delete that, as a comic character, Quicksilver is know as a speedster, and it will be replaced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.0.196.186 (talk) 00:11, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, I don't see you deleting every scrap of information on Magneto's powers, because he has "most currently" become powerless in the comics. Remember, what is current must overshadow all, correct? Contradicting much?

You do not run wikipedia. You have zero right in saying what can and cannot be put up on the pages. I, however, am going by every other thing that I have seen done by people who have actual clout around here. Putting things up in their most current status is the normal practice of what to do. For example, Chamber and Jubilee have always been known through their Generation X appearences, and her much longer before, especially her cartoon appearance, but recently they went through major overhauls, and their pages changed accordingly. Jubilee is even arguably a more recognizable character than Quicksilver, yet I don't see you forcing them to keep her and Chamber's pages like their most recognizable forms. Contradicting much? I do not change Magneto's page because his status is very clearly up in the air right now as to whether or not he is truly depowered, so there is no one way to say it, so it's left as is, which is how things are done around here. Maybe when you realize this site isn't your own personal playground, you'll catch on.68.34.51.231 01:02, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Quicksilver's history is decades longer in literature than either Chamber or Jubilee. More importantly, you are not simply adding the most current, you are obsessing with deleting more of the past/most longstanding/most cultural impact information. Since your information is available in both versions, and your version deletes information, the personal playground label applies better to you.

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:SonofM-2.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Quicksilver.png

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BetacommandBot (talk) 14:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New image?

The current image for Quicksilver seems very outdated and not very detailed. Does anyone argue that the image should be replaced with something more modern and more detailed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.137.34 (talk) 19:52, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

It's a bad choice of image. I think I could get a better idea of Quicksilver's visual appearance by checking the article on Syndrome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.178.141.62 (talk) 15:44, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New miniseries

I added information about the new Quciksilver miniseries, taken from the marvel publishing catatlogue.90.241.50.99 (talk) 18:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox image (Jun `08)

It looks like we need to revisit the infobox image since we've got more than a little back and forth on it.

Right now three options have been presented:

• Image:Quicksilver.png
• Image:Avengers-75.jpg
• Image:Quicksilver avengers.jpg

Looking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/editorial guidelines#Superhero box images, none of them is perfect.

Going down the guideline points:

1. Fair use criteria:
   • In general, all three meet this. The covers could be knocked down to 300px across, which is relatively minor. The only major snag is that the cover of The Avengers #185 needs a full FUR.
2. Needed elements:
   • Posture, facing, and inclusion of at least the head and torso.
     • Again, in general all three meet the first two points.
   • Contorted image.
     • The Avengers #75 does show a contorted Quicksilver. There are some ways this would work for a speedster, but this really isn't one of them.
   • Hidden elements/obscured images.
     • The Avengers #75 has a good chunk of the torso hidden.
     • The Avengers #185, due to the nature of the image, is a blurry representation of the character.
   • Coloring
     • Of the three, the PNG is the worst at representing the character's costume colors.
3. Image focus/ additional elements.
   • Both of the covers have trouble here since Quicksilver isn't the sole, or primary focus of either.
4. Iconic look:
   • Again, bearing the above in mind, all 3 meet this.

Looking at this, yes, the PNG most likely can be replaced, but the two covers aren't improvements.

Are there any other options?

- J Greb (talk) 22:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Some other ideas.

• The cover for Quicksilver #1.
• Art from Magneto Rex #3.
• Art from New X-Men #132. --DrBat (talk) 22:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Of the 6, I'd say the one from New X-Men works best, but lets give Asgardian a chance to comment on this aspect. - J Greb (talk) 11:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I would cast my vote for the cover of Quicksilver #1, as it's a nice action shot that puts the character in context. A cover is always preferable to a photoedited shot from a panel as the white background makes the image look too clinical. It should also be a drawcard for the layman. Asgardian (talk) 06:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Except "the ideal image is a full-body, three-quarter picture of the character standing straight with no background." --DrBat (talk) 03:27, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Side question

If it isn't used in the 'box, what exactly is the cover of The Avengers #185 bringing to the article? It looks a heck of a lot like redundant decoration right now. - J Greb (talk) 22:12, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Not really. The Yesterday Quest set the twins on the path to their true origin as the children of Magneto. Very important storyline. I'm really busy right now, but will get back to this tomorrow.

Asgardian (talk) 06:29, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The story line is, yes, but is the image of the cover fundamental in a readers understanding of that? - J Greb (talk) 11:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I haera what you are saying, but that falls down on artistic merit and also spirit on intent - that is, promoting interest in the hobby. Many, many SHB images are covers. This is no biggie.

Asgardian (talk) 07:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

So, where are we on this folks?

Asgardian (talk) 06:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

My comment ("Except "the ideal image is a full-body, three-quarter picture of the character standing straight with no background.") was never replied to. --DrBat (talk) 22:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

No, it wasn't. That really does mean the article gets bounce back, or to no current image.

I can see Asgardian point about the Perez image. And looking at the site you reffing for Quicksilver 1, there is a good compromise, assuming we can find out where it was originally published - this one. It implies movement, uses the prevalent coloring, and is a full, uncontorted body shot. - J Greb (talk) 23:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

(Actually... back stepping the article at this is a good idea. - J Greb (talk) 23:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC))

That image is from the Busiek/Perez era on Avengers (vol. 3). I can find this issue. I've no objection that one either, so as long it isn't that horrid Martinez 3/4. We need his whole body on the cover or in the panel.

Asgardian (talk) 09:15, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm ok with that image too. --DrBat (talk) 15:27, 14 June 2008 (UTC)