Template talk:Project Chanology protests, March 15, 2008

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1 Deletion
2 Source Discussion
3 Source List in WP:CIT Format
4 Request to place same secondary sources at Wikinews article
5 San Francisco
6 Philadelphia
7 Memphis, TN

[edit] Deletion

Please do not delete this talk page or template. Please see [1] for more information. 202.161.71.161 (talk) 08:24, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Created Template using source of February 10th Template. SomeNonaSaint (talk) 08:41, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Am I the only one who thinks this article only exists because of extreme recentism?24.181.243.83 (talk) 06:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

It was up on VFD twice. First was a snowball keep, second was a speedy keep. The article stays. Blue Mirage (talk) 07:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

OVER 9000 protesters turned up.

[edit] Source Discussion

Added link for Clearwater - 75 protesters, and another link citing 100, and another 200 202.161.71.161 (talk) 00:16, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Added link for Auckland - 20 protesters 202.161.71.161 (talk) 00:09, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Is this a WP:RS? Cites 20 protesters in Richmond, VA 202.161.71.161 (talk) 00:15, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

http://torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndGTA/2008/03/16/5019441-sun.html Toronto - 150202.161.71.161 (talk) 09:26, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Another source for Toronto states there were 200 demonstrators? - Cybergoth (talk) 17:16, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Where did you get the link from? I think part of the URL is missing. Ayla (talk) 18:22, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Link works for me, but I don't have sound. I also tried [2] but if that doesn't work for you perhaps try [3] DigitalC (talk) 00:11, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

The original link worked for me too, but I didn't like the "Now Playing: _UNDEFINED_VALUE_" text below the video. I've added it anyway. Ayla (talk) 20:43, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Quick link: Google News for "scientology protests" (sorted by date with duplicates included). Ayla (talk) 20:40, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Enturbulation thread. Ayla (talk) 22:26, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
ABC Action News: "Church of the Anonymous": [4], [5]. Ayla (talk) 21:23, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Source List in WP:CIT Format

[edit] Already incorporated

David Nankervis. "More protests against Scientology", News.com.au, News Limited, 2008-03-15. Retrieved on 2008-03-15.
""Anonymous" takes to the streets to protest Scientology", ABC action news, 2008-03-15. Retrieved on 2008-03-16.
"Protests again target Church of Scientology", WTVT, 2008-03-15. Retrieved on 2008-03-16.
Tony Wall. "Protesters bid to unmask Scientology", The Sunday Star-Times, 2008-03-16. Retrieved on 2008-03-16.
Carlos Moncada. "Protestors Descend On Scientology Building", TBO.com, 2008-03-15. Retrieved on 2008-03-15.

202.161.71.161 (talk) 08:58, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Could you please recheck the third link? It's identical to the second one, and does not mention any of the said cities. Ayla (talk) 19:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I think it must have been this one -

Andrew Ramadge. "Second round of Anonymous v Scientology", News.com.au, News Limited, 2008-03-17. Retrieved on 2008-03-17.

DigitalC (talk) 22:38, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Thanks for adding Perth, I must have missed it. Ayla (talk) 22:44, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Another source for Toronto states there were 200 demonstrators. - Cybergoth (talk) 20:37, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
"Masked protesters descend on Church of Scientology", [Yourhub.com], 2008-03-17. Retrieved on 2008-03-18.

Denver, CO - 90. DigitalC (talk) 22:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

The template mentions the suburb, Englewood, rather than Denver. Should this be changed? DigitalC (talk) 22:58, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

The Englewood, Colorado article gives Englewood as a "city". And, per http://www.churchofscientology.com/scientology-colorado.htm, the address for the Church of Scientology in Colorado is given as 3385 S. Bannock Street, Englewood, CO 80110 (my emphasis). Ayla (talk) 23:17, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

The Englewood, Colorado article also mentions that Englewood is part of Metropolitan Denver. DigitalC (talk) 03:06, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

You have a point too, but I was trying to keep that column at city- rather than metropolitan-level. If the protests had been held at Denver, Colorado ("the City and County of Denver", which is also part of the Denver-Aurora Metropolitan Area), then yes, change it to Denver. But my understanding is that the protests were held at Englewood, Colorado ("the City of Englewood"). What do you think? Ayla (talk) 10:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

My only thought is that people will look at the chart, and not have a clue where Englewood is. Denver is known internationally. I've never heard of Englewood before. DigitalC (talk) 11:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

See if you agree with the parenthesis as a compromise: [6]. Ayla (talk) 13:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Lahti, Finland (articles in Finnish): [7] "about 50", [8] "about seventy" --128.214.9.63 (talk) 10:57, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

First source added. Which part of the text says "about seventy" in the second source? Ayla (talk) 20:34, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Got it, "noin seitsemästäkymmenestä". Ayla (talk) 19:14, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Winnipeg, Manitoba - Winnipeg Sun article says about 30 demonstrators. [9] - Cybergoth (talk) 01:51, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Boise, Idaho - 8 demonstrators according to the Boise Arbiter - Cybergoth (talk) 01:55, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Dublin, Ireland - The Irish Times states about 25 demonstrators. (Copy of article here.) - Cybergoth (talk) 02:00, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Berlin, Germany I can't read German! - Cybergoth (talk) 02:04, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

All added, thanks! Ayla (talk) 19:34, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Birmingham – Birmingham Mail: [10], [11]. Ayla (talk) 22:24, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands, Media: FOK, http://beta.frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/89081/-Opnieuw-anti-Scientology-protesten.html (Dutch) (estimated number: 120 participants) VerbalWarfare (talk) 20:33, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Not yet incorporated

Please add new sources in this subsection.

[edit] Source reliability contested

Quebec city protestation, small only 2 Anonymous http://youtube.com/watch?v=upbWxok0J10
Montreal, QC protestation, much more people than Quebec city http://youtube.com/watch?v=a5dkGtxT_Sw —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.122.53.148 (talk) 22:26, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately these videos are not secondary sources that meet WP:RS DigitalC (talk) 00:14, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request to place same secondary sources at Wikinews article

If you can get a chance, it would be helpful to add these same secondary sources as they appear to the "Sources" section, at n:Wikinews international report: "Anonymous" celebrates L. Ron Hubbard's birthday#Sources. Cirt (talk) 09:19, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikinews report has been semi-protected; I can't edit it (account only created yesterday). Ayla (talk) 10:43, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] San Francisco

I was at the San Francisco protest, and I estimated a max of 300 or a bit more. Unfortunately can't find an "official" reckoning of that, but others have posted that ~number online in a few places. I even saw "exactly 339 at max." Here's a general cite for the protest: http://sfist.com/2008/03/17/saturdays_scien.php

I suck at wiki-ing -- Could someone do the honors? Thanks!--67.160.228.142 (talk) 06:20, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't think Gothamist blogs qualify as a reliable source. Ayla (talk) 17:29, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Philadelphia

Here's an article from a very large (printed every week and distributed on just about every street corner) paper in philadelphia. They cite the protests as having "more than 200" people in attendence. [12] 155.247.181.20 (talk) 22:53, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Already added. Ayla (talk) 17:30, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Memphis, TN

I was present at the Memphis protest, and at our height of attendance we had 45 people show up. I don't really have any experience in editing wiki pages, so if someone could take care of that, it would be appreciated. Source: Enturbulation Forums[13] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.177.18.50 (talk) 12:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

We're limiting the table to figures cited by reliable sources, such as mainstream press reports. I know it can be annoying when there is no press coverage of the event, but there are plenty of other wikis or forums where you can post primary source information. Ayla (talk) 22:03, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

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