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[edit] extended version
I wrote the extended version... Don't know what mistakes are in it since I did it on a lark - though I know more about pekes than most people do! --152.163.252.228 05:40, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC) User:Mlo
- Good job! That's the sort of person who *should* be adding tons of stuff to articles. I'm making an editing pass but i'm delighted to see info here. I'll remove the msg:stub, too. Elf | Talk 16:05, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
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- Now I have some questions. I remember that there were 4 dogs given as a gift to someone by the imperial court but I don't remember what the occasion was or to whom to gift was given. Do you know? Also, your text said that "some affection must be withheld" to avoid jealousy over a child--I assume that meant withholding affection from the Peke, not the child!? so I clarified that. Elf | Talk 16:46, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
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- I am unaware of any gift of 4 dogs, usually it was a pair. I added some history of gifts and the 1860 pillage, which should not be described as a gift. --ClemMcGann 11:47, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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- Interesting. In a quick peek (peke? ;-) ) in two books, they're quite circumspect about the origins; one says simply "the first 4 pekes arrived in the west in 1860" and the other says "the peke first cam to britain in 1860 following the overthowing by the british of China's summer palace." Which your new addition says with much more interesting details. So I removed the gift line. Elf | Talk 20:55, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I’m not enough into Wiki to write this up properly: --ClemMcGann 01:03, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] origins
There are a few other things that could be said about Pekingese. Their origin, as already noted they are wolf descendants. They hunted in large packs, attacking prey much larger than themselves. Which is why their noses are recessed. They can bite into the flanks of their victim and hang on without being suffocated. They have a fold over their noses to protect it from any blood.
An expansion on the legends would be nice. As would the Empress’s description of them.
In the Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York, in the Bishop collection, there is a carved crystal of a Pekingese with two pups. It dates from the Ming Dynasty.
Pekingese had a role in ceremonials and in diplomacy. Here reference could be made to ‘sleeve’ pekes. They occur rarely and randomly. They cannot be used for breeding. A mandarin would have one of these in his sleeve, as he negotiated. If there was a problem, he would be all nods and smiles, however the dog would growl or bark.
I used the term ‘opium war’ since wiki uses it. At the time it was called a ‘trade war’.
Officially the Emperor didn’t flee the Forbidden City. He merely went on a summer vacation. There wasn’t enough room for the Pekingese on the wagons. So some serving girls had to get off to make room for them. These unfortunates then had their throats silt and were cast into wells. This poisoned the wells, denying them to the ‘foreign devils’.
No Pekingese were seen outside of the Chinese Palaces prior to 1860. For the next thirty years, they were often stolen. The Chinese used to crop their tails to make them less valuable. From 1890 there are instances of Pekes being presented as gifts.
It might be inappropriate to add: The Imperial Chinese Court had many concubines. Their children were usually killed at birth. They were then given a Pekingese puppy to wet nurse. The results are, that modern ladies find Pekingese extremely affectionate and faithful and that Pekingese have poor maternal instincts. --ClemMcGann 01:03, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] history
Please correct the name "TrikiWoo" as mentioned in the text into "Tricki-Woo" (see the original James Herriot books for correct spelling). The Pekingese came to Britain due to a high army official smuggling two Pekingeses out of China and intop Britain when the British troops retreated. The were given to the then Souvereign who started the breed in Britain. It took decades before a Pekingese came to the mainland of Europe. This is a breed of dogs who are loving, kind, faithful to death and who have the courage of a lion. They will take on any dog, no matter the size, and not utter a sound when fighting (this is from,personal experience with five Pekingeses over a period of 35 years), but they are stubborn as mules and regard their owner as their servant (as royals will do).
- above message is from User:80.60.192.181
- I'm not an expert of James Herriot, I suggest that you make the change - that is what wiki is all about - you can edit it yourself!
- The first Pekes in England are mentioned in the history paragraph. They wern't smuggled - they were stolen. I am unaware of Victoria's Looty having any pups. If you have a reference, then feel free to add the information. As for them being stubborn, it depends on how they regard you. If they regard you are the Emperor or the Emperess then they will instantly obey your command. If they are seated on a chair when you enter a room, they will immediately vacate it. On the other hand, if they regard you as a servant ... ... ClemMcGann 14:27, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
In 1860, the English took five Pekingese from China. At that time, how many were then left in China? If none, then do all existing ones come down from those five, through England? If some were left in China, then do all the current ones in the West come down from just the five, or have the lines gotten mixed back together, or what?-69.87.201.203 01:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
"Back in Peking, the plot thickened. Hien Feng died in 1862, ... the 6-year-old T'ung Chih became the next emperor. The former slave girl Ye-ho-na-la, now known as Dowager Empress T'su Hsi, had maneuvered herself into control of one of the world's most powerful countries.
On the minus side, T'su Hsi was cruel, ruthless, ... On the plus side, she loved her Pekingese. But even this affection had its ulterior motives. With only a tenuous link to the royal lineage, the Dowager Empress sought to identify herself with Buddha. In fact, she actively encouraged the nickname "Old Buddha." The Pekingese, a living symbol of Buddha, served her purpose in identifying her with the god.
In England the royal connection and exotic appearance of the Pekingese, as the dog was dubbed there, made it a status symbol for the social elite - and those who wanted to be. In America, too, the lion dog was becoming the rage, especially as it became more available. In the late 1800s, T'su Hsi presented a number of her cherished Pekingese to Americans, including Miss Alice Roosevelt, daughter of President Theodore Roosevelt, and to J. P. Morgan, a dominant financier and philanthropist. With the Chinese monarchy collapsing - no thanks to the machinations of T'su Hsi - more and more Pekingese became available in the Chinese market. Many were exported from China by American and European traders, eager to capitalize on the Pekingese's booming popularity.
The Pekingese Club of America was formed in April 1909 under the sponsorship of J.P. Morgan, who was named its honorary president. Two years later, 95 dogs entered that first club-sponsored show at the ballroom of the Plaza Hotel, which would continue to be its venue for many years. As they say in society, the Pekingese had arrived." [1]
"With the Empress Dowager's death in 1911, the long reign of the Pekingese in China came to an end. Rather than let the little dogs fall into unworthy hands, the court officials killed the great majority of them; the few that escaped disappeared into private homes, leaving no trace.
But the breed was now firmly established in the west, so it was not lost. In 1921 there began the curious paradox of returning breeding stock to China. But again these were lost during the Communist Revolution. Thus, to the original looting of the Palace and carrying away a few of these little dogs we owe the survival of our wonderful Pekingese breed." [2] [3] -69.87.201.203 01:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Photos
I'm now going to offend everyone, but it must be said. None of the peeks in the new photos are up to the standard of the old b&w. ClemMcGann 19:27, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pictures
I could get some of my would you like them?Arnon Chaffin (Talk) 14:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- The images in the article are fine as they stand. We have historical images showing the evolution of the breed, examples of different coat colors, as well as different coat types. No more images are necessary. VanTucky 19:54, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Ventura Pekingese Club
Hi
Would it be possible to link to the article on Pekingese, our url is http://www.pekingeseclub.co.uk.
Thanks Dratsum 18:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC) Sarah Maycock Vice Chairman Ventura Pekingese Club (UK)
[edit] allergies
Does anyone know if Pekeingese's are Hypo-allergenic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Queenfapper (talk • contribs) 05:12, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
