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This is the Dutch Wikipedian's notice board. Let's improve articles related to the Netherlands and Dutch language. Andries 21:44, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 zwarte piet 2 nuclear power phase-out 3 current event 4 Assorted Dutch politics questions 5 Albatros (ship) 6 Verification requests 7 Naming convention for Dutchmen on Wikipedia 8 Gemeentenamen/Municipalities 9 Maps of Dutch cities/villages 10 Music of the Netherlands 11 Kartini 12 Dutch people 13 Dutch military history task force 14 Help with translation 15 Alphabetic ordering of "Van" and "De" names 16 Native name/long name of the Netherlands 17 Royal Academy of Art (The Hague) 18 See also 19 Archives 20 Dance in the Netherlands 21 Headline of the netherlands motorways are all wrong 22 Winschoterdiep 23 Anne Frank Tree photograph 24 WikiProject Dutch politics proposed 25 Few words to translate 26 Instrument amplifier

[edit] zwarte piet

First question is the discussion about Zwarte Piet in the Netherlands. See blackface. Is this an exaggeration or not? See talk:blackface Contributor seems strongly and emotionally opposed to Zwarte Piet for very understandable reasons. So even if this portrayal in the article is exaggerated then it will probably take a lot of effort to change it. Andries 21:44, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Zwarte Piet is totally different than blackface. See Sinterklaas for more information about the Dutch holiday tradition. [1]

[edit] nuclear power phase-out

I would appreciate some help to extend the part about the Netherlands in the new article on the nuclear power phase-out. I have the politics of several other countries covered, but the Netherlands are still missing. Anybody interested? BTW, I also need reviews. Please post here. --Ben ^T/_{C 09:47, August 14, 2005 (UTC)}

[edit] current event

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Dutch response to Hurricane Katrina could be expanded, and possibly have a better photo. --Tsaddik Dervish 10:11, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Assorted Dutch politics questions

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9. What's the latest news on the status reform of  Aruba and the  Netherlands Antilles? I thought there was supposed to be a decision by mid-2005?

Thanks for any information you might be able to contribute. ナイトスタリオン ✉ 09:16, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Albatros (ship)

Albatros (ship) talks about Rijkswerf, Amsterdam. I found it odd that Rijkswerf is missing in WP. Is it another name for a place? -- Perfecto  02:44, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

• Rijkswerf is Dutch for state shipyard. Dinsdagskind 17:20, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Verification requests

[edit] Naming convention for Dutchmen on Wikipedia

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. You may be interested to know that I have put up a couple of questions regarding the naming and sorting convention of Dutchment whose family name has the word "Van" at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (people)#Naming convention for Dutchmen. Feel free to contribute there, with a view to improve the current naming conventions. --Pkchan 17:07, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gemeentenamen/Municipalities

Dag mensen, nl:Gebruiker:Quichot heeft onlangs alle Nederlandse gemeentenamen van een uitspraak voorzien, ze staan bij de Nederlandse artikelen (op dit moment alleen nog de provincies Groningen, Friesland, Flevoland, Noord-Holland, Zuid-Holland, Utrecht en Zeeland, einde deze week waarschijnlijk allemaal) net na de gemeentenaam vermeld. Ik ben bezig ze op Commons in een categorie te proppen, daarover meer als het gelukt is. Groet, NielsFTalk to me.. 05:50, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Ze staan in elk geval nu op Commons:Pronunciation of Dutch municipality names in een overzichtelijke lijst per provincie. Groet, NielsFTalk to me.. 16:50, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi all, nl:Gebruiker:Quichot has recently made sound recordings of the pronunciation of all current Dutch municipalities (470 in total), which can be found on Commons: Commons:Pronunciation of Dutch municipality names. NielsFTalk to me.. 00:55, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maps of Dutch cities/villages

Ik kan hulp gebruiken bij het maken van plattegrondjes van Nederlandse plaatjes. Cartografische kundigheid of speciale software is niet nodig! Zie nl:Gebruiker:Eugene van der Pijll/Kaartjes. -- Eugene van der Pijll 13:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I can use some help in creating maps. See nl:Gebruiker:Eugene van der Pijll/Kaartjes. (instructions are only in Dutch). -- Eugene van der Pijll 13:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music of the Netherlands

Some time ago I added a comment to the discussion page of this article, which unfortunately hasn't had any effect. I hope someone reading this notice board is in a position to do something about the sorry state of this article, or knows others who can contribute. Lambiam^Talk 11:41, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kartini

I recently translated the above Indonesian article into English. I really think that with a bit of work on it, it would make a great English featured article, and I wanted to see if anyone was interested in helping improve it to bring it up to FA status.

To summarise, it's about an Indonesian woman who has a very significant place in the pantheon of Indonesian hero[ines]. Kartini wrote letters in Dutch to friends (whom she never met) which profoundly changed the way the Dutch establishment viewed their Dutch East Indian possessions and its people. She was a women with very strong opinions on the way women were treated in her own culture, on the injustices of colonialism, on the hypocrises of religion. She was inspired by the work of early Dutch feminists and influential writers such as Multatuli, Louis Couperus, Frederik van Eeden, Augusta de Witt, the Romantic-Feminist author Mrs Goekoop de-Jong Van Beek and Berta von Suttner

Ironically, despite the being the victim of inequalities caused by colonialism, her sex and her culture, she was uniquely priviledged - she was allowed to attend school until the age of 12, she had a sympathetic father who allowed her to write to her friends in the Netherlands, and later a sympathetic husband who allowed her to set up a school to educate Indonesian women. She died in childbirth at the age of 25.

Would there be any interest in collaborating on this article to try and bring it up to FA status? There are so many thought-provoking strands that could come out of it that I think it is a worthy project. I am also trying to build up support on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias open tasks board.--Sepa 20:43, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dutch people

I'd appreciate some input on the Dutch people article. Should we use an image in the infobox which includes portraits of Spinoza and Anne Frank? Please voice your opinion on Talk:Dutch people. Thanks. Junes 11:12, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dutch military history task force

[edit] Help with translation

I'm currently working on a script intended to create short articles on political parties on a variety of wikipedias simultaneously. However, in order for the technique to work I need help with translations to various languages. If you know any of the languages listed at User:Soman/Lang-Help , then please help by filling in the blanks. For example I need help with Greek. Thanks, --Soman 12:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure he meant Dutch. The correct link is User:Soman/Lang-Help-nl Valentinian ^(talk) 14:31, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sorry for that. Well, I've pasted a similar appeal on several talk pages and did not edit properly. --Soman 14:46, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alphabetic ordering of "Van" and "De" names

I've often noticed names like "Van den Berge" being ordered under 'B'. I'm not sure why people want to do that, and I'm not sure where to take this, if there's a guideline or anything. The thing is, it does not make sense at all. If you put Van den Berge under 'B', where do you put Vandenberge - an equally common name afaik (I'm Flemish)? Why would Van Aelst be under A and Vanaelst under V? It makes it much so more difficult to find someone, because even here in Belgium we're often uncertain whether a name is written in one piece. Which is why our phonebooks invariably list these people under V. Btw. My name is "De Somere" and many people who know my name would not be certain if it is "Desomer", "Desomere", "De Somer" or "De Somere". But they would all know where to look in a phonebook. I would like to some feedback, if we have a consensus I will feel better about changing all those annotations. Piet 20:47, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Giving this is the English wikipedia I think the Belgian filing system fitts better here than the Dutch one. I believe Dutch name treats this problem as well.

Rex 21:14, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

FWIW, the reason that prefixes are ignored in the Netherlands, is that surnames are never written in one piece. The names Vandenberge and Vanaelst simply do not exist in Dutch Dutch Hollans (except for Belgian immigrants). For example, the family name database at the Meertens institute (see Dutch name for link) lists 4 Vandenberghe's, 17 Vandenbergh's, 17 Vandebergh's, 108Vandeberg's (only in Limburg, which is practically Belgium anyway :) and 37678 Van de(n/r) Berg's, 2819 Van de(n/r) Bergh's, 1651 Van de(n/r) Berge's, and 340 Van den Berghe's. So for the Netherlands, ignoring the prefix is more practical.

For more discussion on the ordering of surnames in the English wikipedia: see Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(people)#Naming convention for Dutchmen and Wikipedia:Categorization_of_people#Ordering_names_in_a_category. Eugène van der Pijll 21:36, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Please (!) refrain from using "Dutch Dutch" and "Belgian Dutch" it breaks my heart ;-) Rex 21:42, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, it was not me who decided to include that double Dutch spoken south of the Moerdijk in our beautiful language... ;-) Eugène van der Pijll 21:47, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Hm, better stay out of the Dutch/Flemish/Belgian discussion... Thanks for the links, I'll refer whoever complains to those pages. Piet 22:05, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned Dutch Dutch and Double Dutch (Dutch Dutch) are the same thing, no matter below which industrieterrein they might be situated. ;-) Rex 22:13, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, in this case "Dutch Dutch" and "Belgian Dutch" don't refer to language variants, but to differences in language usage, which is there because of the different administrative and legal systems, different sensitivities surrounding the use of French loanwords and probably some other reasons; the difference in spelling and alphabetizing surnames is just one aspect of this. They are useful shorthands for "Dutch as used in the Netherlands/Belgium". Nevertheless, I understand your sensitivity and support the idea behind what you're saying. I don't think calling what I happen to speak Hollands improves matters, though. We're still speaking about different usage within Standard Dutch, while Hollands proper is a dialect. – gpvos (talk) 22:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Native name/long name of the Netherlands

Shouldn't the infobox here say "Nederland/The Netherlands" and not "Koninkrijk der Nederlanden/Kingdom of the Netherlands"? I'm just wondering because Netherlands (nl:Nederland) is not the same as the Kingdom of the Netherlands (nl:Koninkrijk der Nederlanden), it is only the European part. —MC 17:47, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

You've got me confused here. It says Netherlands/Nederland, doesn't it? And yes that's what it should say. NielsF 22:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I've changed it since I first posted this. No one has changed it back this time , but someone did before. Sorry about the confusion. —MC 23:56, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know, "Nederland" (the Netherlands) is a term for the European part of the country only, while the "Koninkrijk der Nederlanden" (Kingdom of the Netherlands) is a federation with three "states" (called "landen"): Aruba, the Netherlands Antilles and the Netherlands. This will be changed, however, since the Netherlands Antilles will be partitioned: Curaçao and St.-Martin will become separate "landen", while the other islands of the Netherlands Antilles will get a closer relationship with the Netherlands proper. So, there is a distinction between the two terms. Ucucha 05:55, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Small correction: three islands of the Netherlands Antilles will establish closer ties to the Netherlands, not two: Bonaire, Saba and Sint Eustatius. Curaçao and Sint Maarten will receive a status aparte, similar to Aruba. Aecis ^{Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984.} 22:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Royal Academy of Art (The Hague)

I need some help from locals to determine whether Bhaskar Hande, who is said to have attended "Royal Academy of Visual Arts" and "Free Academy of Visual Art", actually attended Royal Academy of Art (The Hague). See Talk:Bhaskar Hande. John Vandenberg 03:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

The Royal Academy of Visual Arts (Koninklijke Academie van Beeldende Kunsten) is indeed the Royal Academy of Art (The Hague). The Free Academy of Visual Art is the Vrije Academie voor Beeldende Kunsten. HTH. Aecis^Brievenbus 03:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I have created a stub for Vrije Academie voor Beeldende Kunsten. How does the Free Academy rate as an Art school? I'll gladly take any rough pointers to sources (for each academy) and work them into the articles. John Vandenberg 22:36, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] See also

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Netherlands/New article announcements
• Category:Netherlands
• Category:Maps of the Netherlands
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Dutch municipalities
• Wikipedia:Wikipedians/The Netherlands
• nl:Hoofdpagina
• Netherlands-related votes for deletion
• Wikipedia:Translation into English/Dutch

[edit] Archives

• off topic Wikipedia:Notice board for topics related to the Netherlands/archives/off-topic
• Solved issues Jan. 2006 until ... Wikipedia:Notice board for topics related to the Netherlands/solved_1

[edit] Dance in the Netherlands

I just started this article. Your contributions are much appreciated! Best regards, Brz7 11:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

It is a good stub, but skating on ice has been a hype a year ago, and it's not so populair anymore. [2]

[edit] Headline of the netherlands motorways are all wrong

I would be thankful, if the netherlands specialists could have a look here: Portal talk:Transport#Headline of the netherlands motorways are all wrong Thank you -- 84.132.101.93 10:11, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Winschoterdiep

Hi, can someone take a look at this article? It was created by sockpuppet who also posted lots of hoaxes, but I'm not sure in this case. MaxSem 15:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

This article is 100% accurate. I live near there :) Aecis^Brievenbus 19:24, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anne Frank Tree photograph

At the present time, Wikipedia has no image related to the Anne Frank Tree which is to be cut down on November 21, 2007. Wikipedians in the area are encouraged to take a free picture before it is cut down. Thank you. Puchiko (Talk-email) 13:16, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Dutch politics proposed

I have proposed the creation of the WikiProject Dutch politics. If you are interested in joining the WikiProject, you can express your interest at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Dutch Politics. Aecis^Brievenbus 20:19, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Few words to translate

How should I translate: Eredoctoren van de Academie, Bekende professoren, Bekende studenten? Thanks! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:22, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Somewhere along the lines of "Honorary doctors, established professors, established students." It's a bit difficult to translate the word "bekende" correctly. It means "known", "famous, "notable", but in this case, established probably covers the meaning a bit better. Aecis^Brievenbus 23:20, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Instrument amplifier

In the Instrument amplifier article, there are two different interwiki links to the Dutch Wikipedia. I believe one is for "guitar amplifier" and the other is for "bass amplifier", but if the Dutch Wikipedia has a more general article it would be best to have the interwiki link point there instead. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)