Template talk:Mycomorphbox

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Contents 1 Disclaimer 2 Missing image 3 Edibility unknown icon required 4 Edible after cooking icon? 5 How to class the edibility of some fungi - eg Amanita citrina 6 Olive spore print icon in English required 7 Allergy icon 8 mycomorphbox version 2 9 Svg/png 10 Caution icon 11 Gleba? 12 purple-brown & purple-black spore print colors needed 13 Edibility icon colours 14 TfD nomination of Template:Mycomorphbox

[edit] Disclaimer

Whatever happened to Wikipedia:No disclaimer templates? pfctdayelise (translate?) 13:51, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. Personally I don't care that much, the warning could be removed.Debivort 17:52, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

This conversation confused me at first, so let me just say for future generations that the issue was settled. Melchoir 02:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

woweee, this article messes up my browser (firefox 1.5.0.7) baaaad. JoeSmack ^Talk(p-review!) 17:58, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Missing image

On Coprinus comatus, the Mycological characteristics template resolves to an image called which does not exist.--MichaelMaggs 14:47, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edibility unknown icon required

Hi, especially in Australia where many fungi have never been eaten there are quite a few which we don't know about. Would be good to make an 'Edibility unknown' icon. Difficult to do Wikipedia at work as it is insanely slow. cheers. Cas Liber 02:02, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Cool! now to add some boxes.................Cas Liber 08:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Isn't everything deadly or poisonous in Australia? ;) MoRsE 21:05, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edible after cooking icon?

'Edible when cooked' as an icon? or is it too many to choose from? Ruminating before adding... cheers Cas Liber 10:23, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How to class the edibility of some fungi - eg Amanita citrina

Apparently this species is edible but tasteless, but its simialrity to dangerous species is problematic - class as 'inedible' or need a 'caution' icon? The same could apply to various ble staining boleti such as B luridus and B erythropus...Cas Liber 08:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think we need a caution icon, as all of these key features should be used with caution, and people have already brought up that the template comes too close to a disclaimer. As for the issue of whether it is inedible or edible, based on the quality of its taste - it seems this depends on subjective taste - so whether an edible inedible icon is used would fall to consensus? Debivort 20:47, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Agree. I was sorta playing devils advocate with some ideas but ultimately felt having a huge selection might just confuse things. I think most fungi that are classed as inedible are pretty unambiguous. Difficult as I have not eaten more than a dozen or so species...(and can't personally comment on why the Peppery Bolete is classed as edible and can be used as a peppery condiment while Boletus calopus is pretty well classed as inedible by all (apart from some siberian??)Cas Liber

[edit] Olive spore print icon in English required

On Boletus calopus, there is no icon shown for olive spore print. I s the best was to make an English page of the Swedish image?Cas Liber 06:46, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

• I don't know what the deal is - someone came and moved a few of the images to the Commons, deleted the ones on en.wiki. It is restored now. Debivort 07:29, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

There was a problem when I uploaded the swedish named images to Commons. I've now redesigned the template code in the swedish version so that it can accept english names. Therefore all of these images can be uploaded to commons (using their english names) without this template being broken. /Lokal_Profil 20:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Allergy icon

Hmm, don't have details in mind, but might be useful? Rich Farmbrough, 10:39 30 October 2006 (GMT).

Yeah, that'd be good. But shouldn't that already be (noticeably?) placed in the article? DarkestMoonlight (talk) 20:49, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] mycomorphbox version 2

Much improved - expandable vertical design, additional spore print colors, secondary characteristics, and zoomed in hymenium attachment icons. Debivort 07:08, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

• revision as of 11-18: more stylish border, bigger font, less vertical and horizontal white space, narrower as well. Debivort 22:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Svg/png

The template still uses Image:Infundibuliform cap icon.png, although the .svg version has been uploaded to Commons (commons:Image:Infundibuliform cap icon.svg). --Eleassar ^{my talk} 17:07, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Caution icon

I believe that this template would benefit from a "Caution" icon that could serve the function of both "this shroom causes alergic reactions in many people" and "this shroom has poisonous lookalikes". For example, in books like Peterson's Guides they use a three icon system of "Edible" "Not Recommended" and "Poisonous" where the "Not Recommended" icon serves the purpose I've just outlined.

Comments? The Thadman 21:51, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

• The second usage verges on a disclaimer, which we have steered away from... I'd be happy to see it used for the first usage. Debivort 01:03, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

• The text in the template ought to read "not recommended" I think - as "be careful" suggests that the things are necessarily edible, just with caution required. Debivort 01:07, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I've switched the text to "not recommended" and I've tested it out on Parasol mushroom and Shaggy parasol. --אמר Steve Caruso 04:57, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Great idea. There are plenty that fit in this category.cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:14, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I tried to edit Laetiporus to change the edibility parameter in the mycomorphbox, but when I made it "caution", the box displayed "not recommended". I expected it to say something less negative, like maybe "caution"? It turns out that this mushroom can make you pretty sick, and the article says so, but the box says "edible" with a smiley face. A person who didn't read English so good might see the smiley face and chow down. It seems to me an additional category is needed so we can display something between "edible" and "not recommended", maybe "caution". I don't want it to read "not recommended"; so many people apparently eat it, and the article says so, that there would be a sort of credibility conflict. And "not recommended" is too weak for something that will make you sick; it sounds like it just turns your tongue blue or tastes like crap. "Caution" would give them pause without sending them packing. "Edible" is a dangerous half-truth in this case. --Milkbreath 11:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Even with the "not recommended" field we're really walking a line over Wikipedia:No_disclaimer_templates. Perhaps instead of "caution" we should put in a field for "allergic reactions"? Gimmie a sec... אמר Steve Caruso 04:52, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I did some fixes to the new allergic state code - and switched to the diamond caution icon. Looks ready to go. de Bivort 06:39, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Better, maybe. I'm still afraid that somebody who doesn't read English would be misled by the icons. Even I don't know what a brown lozenge signifies, and the smiley face followed by an exclamation point seems to say "Real good to eat." I think the "caution" icon alone would be better. Also, the link in "not recommended" goes to look-alikes, wich is no help in the case of Laetiporus, for instance. --Milkbreath 14:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes that was the original use for "caution" to note mushrooms that have very close lookalikes. As such I personally believe that the green unhappy face is a bit more...well.. communicative towards a warning of allergies. אמר Steve Caruso 19:04, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gleba?

I've noticed that we're using "smooth" as the default hymenium for mushrooms with a gleba, which is misleading. I've put together a gleba icon and I'll be uploading it soon and sticking it in with the mycobox. אמר Steve Caruso 17:56, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Sounds very good. Debivort 18:41, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] purple-brown & purple-black spore print colors needed

This mycomorphbox thingie is very cool. You definitely need to purple-brown and purple-black as spore print colors. If you do this, then somebody could update psilocybe azurescens to have purple-black sprore print. erasurehead —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.52.164.48 (talk) 14:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. I'll probably get around to this later tonight. de Bivort 17:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edibility icon colours

Is it really a good idea for the "poisonous" icon to be green and the "edible" icons to be yellow? The colours are much more visible, especially on high-resolution screens, than any other features of the icons. Colour coding systems that use green and yellow usually use them along with red, for "go/good/no danger" (green), "caution/intermediate/some danger" (yellow), "stop/bad/lots of danger" (red). This template's icons appear to be using an opposite system, for no immediately apparent reason. I know that the subject of including warnings in Wikipedia at all is somewhat controversial, but one reason for that is because of potential liability, and it seems to me that if we include warnings and display those warnings in the opposite of the common, widely accepted colour symbology, the liability issues multiply. What happens when someone eats the mushroom that had the "green for go" happy face in its Wikipedia article? 216.75.183.127 03:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Green in the face icon symbolizes sickliness - not an uncommon association. It's not a stop or start light. Also, the template does not provide warnings. It provides a fact "Mushroom X is poisonous" - interpret as you will. That said - if you'd like to propose an alternate set of icons, feel free. de Bivort 22:45, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Mycomorphbox

Template:Mycomorphbox has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Lampman (talk) 17:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Result was "keep." See: Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 December 10#Template:Mycomorphbox. --Teratornis (talk) 03:22, 17 February 2008 (UTC)