Talk:Moustache

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November 28, 2005

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[edit] Poe and Armstrong

I think it is unnecessary to have a picture of Edger Allen Poe to show a moustache but also a picture of Louis Armstrong so that we can compare and the viewer will immediately spot the moustache. RP Hoogle 11:18, 02 Mar 2008 (GMT)

No, really. It's comical. I can't go on the horse and post a picture of Tiger Woods and say that he isn't a horse. Why is that picture of Louis Armstrong on there? Nanu Ra (talk) 14:08, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

One must also consider the naive people who visit the site. A comparison allows said people to differentiate between those with Moustaches and those without. Although, it is fair to say that anyone would notice the abundance of hair on one's top lip. it might be best to put such a comparison on the 'Simple English' Wikipedia.

88.97.246.0 (talk) 17:37, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Picture?

Can we get a picture of an 'un-typical mostache'? Something like Dali? Mark Richards 21:18, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

I definitely agree. This one is not very well-developed, and to whit, it appears on the Facial hair page, too. Let's get a picture that shows a PROUD moustache! Or at least a famous man, one of the ones who is listed, perhaps, who everyone would recognize by his moustache. Nietzsche, for example, is a man who would be recognized simply by a photo of his distinctive and unique moustache. [[User:Whiskers|whiskers (talk)]] 23:58, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

How about this photo of Sir Claude Maxwell MacDonald as an 'un-typical' moustache? -- Infrogmation 16:04, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Competitions?

Do "moustache growing competitions" belong in a dictionary? BryanD 20:59, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contradiction

The paragraph on "The moustache in male adolescence" contradicts itself:

"There is a definite order in which facial hairs appear on the face during puberty"

"As with most human biological processes, this specific order may vary among individuals."

Oddity- 06:02, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Women and Facial Hair

I don't believe that this is the place to talk about women and facial hair. My reasoning follows.

A mention of women and facial hair is made on Facial hair and links directing interested readers direct them to the appropriate page, Bearded woman. Also, I have added appropriate links under 'See also' on Beard and Moustache. Before I created page and moved the relevant information that had previously been here, the link 'Bearded woman' automatically redirected to Hirsutism. This is not fair, as what is commonly believed to be a beard on a woman is not a beard at all, but simply dark body hair. This new page allows us to discuss the subject sensitively and scientifically, before sending the reader off on a journey into disease and disorder.

The famed bearded women of the circus sideshows were usually fakes. In a few rare cases, it is a case of Hirsutism or an even rarer genetic disorder, for which a page does not yet exist (but links on Bearded woman and Hirsutism do, should anyone care to research the topic). This is not an attempt at segregation. Here we are not talking of female authors, where it makes little sense to segregate them and their works, but of curiosities and medical disorders specific to women. There are men with breasts, too (gynecomastia), but we would surely not talk about them on a page devoted to mothers and infant feeding, or to buxom blondes on the silver screen.

Furthermore, to have a natural male feature discussed in the same breath as hormonal imbalances and sideshow freaks is a gross disrespect to manhood. This furthers the distaste for things male and manly that has crept into modern society. It is often the case today that one does not refer to men as men, but as people. To be a man has become something androgynous and sexless, as if it were something freakish to be diluted, hidden and ashamed of. These pages, Beard, Moustache, Goatee, Sideburns etc ought to be done in honour of men and manhood. It is a subject of male pride.

[[User:Whiskers|whiskers (talk)]] 06:35, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Too many images

Argh, I dislike the change from two images to 7. IMO we do not need to duplicate photos of every prominent man with a moustache here (we have a list of linked names people can click to find out what they look like). This is looking too cluttered. -- Infrogmation 00:49, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Agreed. A gallery on the commons of people with moustaches would be a better idea. Fredrik | talk 19:47, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I have moved them to a seperate page Pictures of famous men with moustaches. -- Infrogmation 21:04, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

For the list of men known for their moustaches, should Cesar Romero be included? His 'stache isn't all that distinctive, but anyone who watched the old Batman series and wondered why Joker had a moustache underneath his makeup knows that this was a man who truly loved his moustache. Also, Mario should be in there.

I would be nice though to have one image of each one of the styles mentioned. SaintCahier 05:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Women and Facial Hair - Frida Kahlo

The feminist artist Frida Kahlo deliberately wore a moustache which grew naturally. I believe this article should make some acknowledgement of this notable historical fact. Lumos3 16:59, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Interesting. This would be notable, but I can't find proof of it. I researched a bit and can't find any photographs of her with anything I'd call a moustache. Here are photos I'm able to find

Her upper lip hair depicted in paintings seems quite exagerrated compared to any "reality" I can find. Maybe there was a period of time when she had a moustache that someone can share a photograph of. --Ds13 04:43, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fictional moustaches

Could there be a list of famous fictional moustaches - is there anyone apart from Hercule Poirot?

I read somewhere recently that there is no Latin word for moustaches (ie classical Latin rather than the Vatican version, which has words for modern use). Is this true?

Jackiespeel 17:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

There are two that I know of; mystax and subium, although I don't know whether they are Classical or Vatican. --BiT 23:01, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Development

that section about how facial hair grows in, i've noticed that that is very -often- the case, but not -always- .. for example, my moustache grew in on the lip part -before- the corners of the mouth, but i've seen the opposite a lot.

[edit] Famous men known to have moustaches

This list is becoming too long and unwieldy. I suggest it is grouped by occupation , Military , politicians, performers etc and then possibly split to an associated article. Lumos3 08:10, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

The whole list seems a bit pointless to me. So many men in history have had moustaches that the list is effectively endless. I think we should only list men particularly famous for their moustaches, not just men who had/have them. -- Necrothesp 22:15, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

The list is great, and also very funny. I advise either to keep it or transform it into a separate article. I also added Jeff 'Skunk' Baxter to the list, because he rules. EV (IL)

I moved the list to a separate location. Please help sorting it. Fenrir2000 17:42, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology

Anyone know the etymology of the word moustache, I feel this should be included on the page

I looked it up and added it. It's not a very interesting etymology. --Fastfission 23:49, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Loss of psuedo-plural

I've noticed in 19th century lit and contemporary works set in that time & later (e.g. Riven Rock), a man was refered to as having 'moustaches' not 'a moustache'. Any sense of why & when this changed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daddylight (talk • contribs) 23:50, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gallery

The Mushtache style section could be turned into a gallery, if enough images were collected. Each of those links and descriptions could be turned into the image caption. You can go to Wikipedia:Gallery to learn how to set up the gallery. Collecting public domain images of all the different mustaches might be a stumbling block, however. —thames 21:10, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Stalin

Soviet ruler Joseph Stalin was known for his bushy moustache.

LOL. Stalin had a bushy mustache. He was known for his brutal authoritarianism. --Tysto 17:58, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Best Mustache?

I have done alot of searching and i think that of everyone ive seen Saddam Hussein has the most impressive mustache. As a general rule Kurdish and Slavic people are able to grow the best mustaches and beards.

[edit] Anit Jindal!

It's about time that he got the credit he deserves. His chop stache or as i like to call it, his cookie duster, is one of the greatest staches in the history of staches.

[edit] Spellings

"spelt" is sometimes spelt "spelled" in the US too...

[edit] Styles section

I notice that in the section on styles, the article says of both Dali and English that "areas past the corner of the mouth must be shaved. Artificial styling aids permitted." What is the source of these definitions, and what is the context in which certain areas must be shaved and "artifical styling aids" (wax? little bits of wire? guy ropes?) are permitted or not? It's not like there's a Tache Police fining people for not styling their facial hair correctly ;-) -- AJR | Talk 23:07, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

oh how little do you know.. the tache police will find you.

[edit] Famous or notable moustaches in art and fiction

This section was getting to have a very long list so I have created its own article which has allowed more illustration of the moustaches described. Lumos3 17:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photo at head of article

I have returned the head photo to Edgar Allen Poe from the Zapata brothers.

Neither is ideal as a lead image because both are of celebrities and both focus on the man rather than the moustache. I think the Poe one is slightly better as it is closer to the face.

I suggest we need a close up of a distinctive moustache which is not worn by a celebrity and which represents a commonly worn style not an unusual one. Can anyone provide one in the GNU domain? Celebrity moustaches will always lead to dissent over the qualities of the celebrity and not the moustache itself. Lumos3 10:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to re-open this discussion, if possible. The image of Poe with a moustache is inaccurate; he only had a moustache for two out of his 38 years - he was actually known more for his sideburns during most of his career. Either way, I just don't think "moustache = Poe." Is there a better image? Maybe even just a close-up of someone with a moustache? Does anyone out there have one who'd be willing to take a picture of their upper lip? :) --Midnightdreary 03:50, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] biological perspective

Hmm, no discussion about theories on the significance of the mustache in evolution, etc... Don't know if there are any sources for such anyway. I looked up this article hoping that it would have something on that.

[edit] Vandalism?

I'm removing both sections below, because for the first, I've found no evidence thereof anywhere else, and for the second, the text borders on racism and really isn't necessary.

The moustache were invented by Jean Moustache and his wife Tra-la-la. (from History)

Some adolescents tend to try and grow a moustache before they are fully able to. This sometimes results in a "mexi-stache", or "dirt 'stache" that appears unclean. (from The moustache in male adolescence)

Alex 18:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I've also removed a reference to Michael Eccelston in the famous people section; it appears to be vandalism that has stuck for a while. I'd expect a famous moustache wearer to give at least one result on Google Images. Mrstonky (talk) 17:07, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] lol wtf

In some countries, it was obligatory for soldiers to grow moustaches. The British Army, for instance, forbade the shaving of the upper lip by all ranks from the 19th century until the regulation was abolished by an Army Order dated 6 October 1916.

This amusing piece of nonsense is going to be removed unless someone provides a citation. Drutt 20:45, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Intro line

Current intro line read:

A moustache (or mustache) is facial hair usually grown on the upper lip.

"Usually" ? Is there any context in which a moustache refers to non-upper-lip hair? Can I remove that bizarre qualifier? Dylan 17:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hitler

I'm surprised there is no mention or picture of Hitler in the article, seeing as he probably has the most famous mustache in history.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.219.161.13 (talk) 04:46, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, there is something about him. Check toothbrush moustache, and you'lle find it out! -The Bold Guy- 11:58, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pier Gerlofs Donia

I illustrated the article with an image of Pier Gerlofs Donia (aka Grutte Pier). -The Bold Guy- 11:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Keti

Keti, c. 2200 BC. Louvre

The oldest portrait showing a shaved man with a mustache is a Keti, Sixth dynasty of Egypt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.34.175.196 (talk) 12:56, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

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