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50% more line citations will be needed. Get to FA Generally I think polishing is required - many sections are rather short, there are capitalised headings which don't conform to the MoS, and things like that. I think the article is not particularly scholarly at the moment - no references cited from journal articles or other academic sources. And the external links section is unnecessarily huge at the moment. But it's a solid article on a topic which is ideal for bringing up to featured standards. I have been planning to work on this article for a while, as Vesuvius is a Decade Volcano and thus included in Wikipedia:WikiReader/Decade Volcanoes which I created. I should be able to find time in the next week or so to give it a thorough editing which I hope will improve it a lot. I didn't check up on the sources themselves yet, but a lot of those external links are linked to as sources within the text and the Osservatorio Vesuvio local national park authorities and eyewitness accounts are all good sources IMO, even if not literally scientific. I'll contact you, so we don't do duplicate work. The type of lava that is erupted here should probably be changed. The article claims: "Its lava is composed of viscous andesite." Bill Rose, a volcanologist from my Geo. Dept. took issue with this and doubted that vesuvius ever has or ever will erupt andesite. He said that it is an ultrapotassic volcano which generally erupts leucitites, and this is backed up here (http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/volc_images/img_vesuvius.html) and here (http://www.springerlink.com/content/w236567tw1453r57/) --Alguth 14:09, 8 October 2007 (UTC) In the Formation section, the following statement is incorrect: "The crust material became heated until it melted, forming magma, a type of liquid rock." Significant melting of the subducting slab does not occur. Rather, dehydration of minerals in the subducting slab releases water that ascends into the overlying mantle, reducing its melting point and generating melt that ascends into the crust.
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Contents 1 Content moved from article 2 Anon Comment 3 Height of the main cone 4 Delisted GA 5 Elevation 6 GA 7 Casualties 8 Today before Future? 9 Vesuvius today image 10 Separate article for the Pompeji eruption? 11 Reference is Wrong 12 Pliny 13 great job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #1 14 Date of AD 79 eruption 15 March 1944 Picture of Eruption 16 Areas affected

I don't see it as Americacentrism when the article on the city is located at Naples, Italy. RickK 05:45 29 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Of course it is not US-centric to mention that Naples is in Italy. But the specific form "Naples, Italy" is used in the U.S. and probably nowhere else. The context makes it clear that this is about Italy. Naples is primarily a city in Italy, and if there are other places of that name, they are certainly not too prominent. So there is no reason to use the US-centric form here. 145.254.41.145 Furthermore, the article did not use the link to "Naples, Italy" (which exists as an article), but rather two links, one to Naples and one to Italy, which is why I changed it. 145.254.41.145

I would like to suggest that a disambiguation page referencing the USS Vesuvius be added under vesuvius. I do not know how to do this.

I'd suggest adding a "== Namesakes ==" section at the end, use it to mention USS Vesuvius and the (twelve) HMS Vesuvius, since their names were inspired by the mountain. A full-blown disambiguation seems like overkill here. Stan 22:38, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Content moved from article

This text is still in the article: "(Note: In the original Greek mythology, Hercules is name Heracles, and is the son of Zeus and Hera (thus Heracles: "Son of Hera").)"

And an anonymous user added this: "Ehhh wrong!!! Zeus just called him Heracles to try and diffuse Hera's anger at his infidelity with Alcmene(among others. Zeus was a bit of a slut!). The name thing didn't really work and she still tried to kill him."

I moved it here instead. Perhaps the original claim is incorrect. Quadell (talk) 13:35, Sep 14, 2004 (UTC)

Since this link seems to support the anonymous user's claim, I'm going to change the article. Quadell (talk) 13:36, Sep 14, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Anon Comment

(Darco 06:15, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)) An anonymous user posted a commend on the main page that looked like it belonged here. Here it is:

Hey. It is said in the article that "It is the only active volcano on the European mainland, although it is not currently in eruption." I guess it should be "the ancient active volcano" or something like that since the sentece follows says "It is one of four active volcanos in Italy, situated on the coast of the Bay of Naples..."

Italy includes several islands, such as Sicily. I presume that the other three volcanoes are on those islands (but that's just a guess) Nik42 03:51, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Oops ... should've re-read the article. I see someone else already pointed that out Nik42 03:53, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Jll 21:46, 20 January 2006 (UTC) I have changed the statement that it is the only active volcano on the European mainland to say instead that it is the only one to have erupted within the last 100 years. The volcano page has three possible definitions for active:

• "Scientists usually consider a volcano active if it is currently erupting or showing signs of unrest". Vesuvius isn't active according to this definition.
• Erupted within historical time - Shouldn't this include Campi Flegrei (1538)?
• Erupted within the last 10,000 years - ditto.

Mt Etna, Europe's highest active volcano is on Sicily. Most of the other active volcanoes in the area are on the Lipari Islands. There are several recently (in the last 2 or 3 thousand years) active volcanoes in other spots in Italy such as Mt. Vulture and Campi Flegrei. CFLeon 02:04, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Height of the main cone

Is height of the mount 1,281 m or 1,277 m? See http://www.answers.com/Vesuvius --ajvol 06:06, 11 July 2005 (UTC)h

[edit] Delisted GA

There are no references. slambo 17:15, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

There is also some problems with the tephrochronology; ages don't run in order and the eruptive sequence notation is confusing and/or wrong. Not being a volcanologist, I'm not really au fait with what is right, but it's currently wrong. Rolinator 01:22, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elevation

Is there any modern elevation measurement? Brandmeister 18:50, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA

The referencing now looks adequate for a GA. If the editors here intend to raise the page to an FA, probably 50% more line citations will be needed. Some of the sections and passages really ought to be cited but aren't. Based on overall comprehensiveness and encyclopedic tone I think this meets GA standards. Good work and keep improving. Durova 15:21, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Casualties

All that is in the article are the estimated populations of Pompeii and Herculaneum. Is there any way we could find out the estimated casualty figures for Naples, etc.? - Weebiloobil 21:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

The simple answer is only if someone has been able to make, and publish, such an estimate. I have never seen one - the dynamics of the eruption and subsequent history of the region meant that Pompeii and Herculaneum got preserved with their human remains, and that probably wasn't true of the Naples area. Jll 18:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Today before Future?

Should the "Vesuvius Today" section be before the future section? - jlao ⁰⁴ 12:23, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so, because "The future" is the last sub-section in the Eruptions section which describes the eruptive history (and predictions about how it may erupt in future) in chronological order. The "Vesuvius Today" section doesn't contain anything relating to volcanic eruptions, or even to the mountain being a volcano. Jll 18:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vesuvius today image

Can someone edit the image to give it more contrast? - jlao ⁰⁴ 14:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I've changed the photo to an identical one from the equivalent Spanish article, it looks a bit better, I hope the original editor doesn't mind. Is this what you were looking for Jlao04? Ok, so this is nearly a year later - but hey :-) Fossiliferous 10:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Separate article for the Pompeji eruption?

I think there should be a seperate article on the Pompeji eruption, like it has been done with the 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens or the Minoan eruption of Thera. We should split this article right here. --Bender235 14:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree. It is one of the most famous eruptions, possibly the most famous. Jll 09:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reference is Wrong

The Reference #33 is an incomplete link because the page has been moved. It has to do with the planes destroyed in the 1944 blast. Lachliggity 20:07, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pliny

The article says that Pliny the elder was possibly killed in the 79AD eruption. Pliny the younger states that he definitely was, and goes into considerable circumstantial detail. It's only a matter of removing one word. Does anyone mind?--Anthony.bradbury 23:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Go for it. I've never heard of anyone seriously disputing the younger Pliny's account. -- ChrisO 23:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] great job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #1

great job i've just read it all. i have to say it was very long but, very informational. i honestly didn't know Herculaneum was named after hercules i didn't even know Mt. Vesuvius was a volcanoe in ITALY. Now i can do the assignment that my teacher assigned. Oh, and i'm in the sixth grade. this comment is important because usually this kind of articl is boring and dull but this one is attention grabbing!1!!!!!!!. i loved it

[edit] Date of AD 79 eruption

The Italian Wikipedia has an article dedicated to the discussion about the date of the 79 AD eruption: Modifica di Data dell'eruzione del Vesuvio del 79 d.C., and there are references to other documents and articles, all in Italian.

I added a paragraph to the page to note that there is an issue with the date of the eruption, and of course this has been cited for lack of references. Trouble is that I have never found any authorative discussion of this issue in English. Does anybody know of any? Or should I add a reference to the Italian Wikipedia page and/or the references cited on that page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.4.68.188 (talk • contribs).

An English language source would be nice, but failing that the reference cited on the Italian Wikipedia page could be used. I'll add that for now. -- Avenue 14:43, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

So far all I can find online in English is a tangential note from a course on natural disasters (which I've now cited), although they do reference this book: A. Scarth and J.-C. Tanguy, "Volcanoes of Europe", 2001, Oxford University Press; ISBN: 0-19-521754-3). Does anyone have ready access to it? Another possibility might be: S. J. Sparks 1982. The eruption of Vesuvius in AD 79: reconstruction from historical and volcanological evidence. American Journal of Archaeology 36. 39-51. -- Avenue 15:59, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I've entered the gist of Sigurdsson, Cashdollar and Sparks. Is more detail required? JSTOR gives contemporaneous reports of C17-C19 eruptions: would quotes improve this article?--Wetman 21:49, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] March 1944 Picture of Eruption

I've added a picture of this eruption. My grandfather was in a bomber crew in Italy during WWII and was able to snap this picture. I just recently scanned it in and thought it'd be a good addition. can anyone help me out with the whole copyrights and use police stuff? i'm not really sure what to do there. Tnflyboy 15:51, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I've tagged it as PD-USGov-Military-Air Force. This assumes he was on duty when he took it. -- Avenue 03:58, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Unless I'm mistaken, the caption for the picture of the 1944 eruption of vesuvius should be changed. It says USAAF which stands for United States Army Air Force, but the Air Force wasn't created until 1947. Prior to that, it was part of the Army and known as the Army Air Corp. NeoKryos (talk) 19:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Areas affected

Should there be a list of the cities/towns/etc. affected by the 79 AD eruption? Reading through, Herculaneum, Pompeii and Stabiae are mentioned in the article referencing this eruption, while Boscoreale, Oplontis and others are left out entirely. Looking up Boscoreale and Oplontis, both refer to the Vesuvius article but aren't referred back to.

Pompeii, Herculaneum, Stabiae, Oplontis and Boscoreale are the ones typically listed as "destroyed" by most sources, but I've also seen a longer list mentioned a few places. http://researchitaly.us/historyofsouthernitaly/ad1toad500.html lists "Pompeii, Herculaneum, Stabiae, Oplontis, Sora, Tora, Taurania, Cossa and Leucopetra", and I've seen Torre del Greco mentioned elsewhere. Obviously several of these need more verification, but some sort of list would be helpful. Merennulli (talk) 04:20, 27 December 2007 (UTC)