Template talk:Middle kingdoms of India
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[edit] Template fork
Jguk appears to have created a fork of this template at Template:Middle Kingdoms of India and is in the process of changing articles [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] to use the fork instead of this template. Mirv has demonstrated that the only difference in Jguk's fork is era style [19]. Jguk's fork clearly violates the guideline, and this action is especially inappropriate in light of the fact that Jguk is in the midst of his second arbitration case for pushing his preferred era style on Wikipedia. Note complaint at WP:AN --MPerel ( talk | contrib) 23:10, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Relook required
I removed Pandyan kingdom as it was being shown that it existed during the 6th BCE which I think is factually wrong. I think somebody needs to take another look at the template especially the Southern kingdoms column. Most of the dynasties/empires seem to have been advanced by 200-300 years. Sarvagnya 04:53, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pandyan kingdom
There are many sources including Greek travellers sources from the period of the 6th to 4th century BCE that mention the Pandyan kingdom. Therefore it was readded to its place. Wubbabubba 08:39, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- The first mentions of Chola, Chera and Pandya are only in Ashoka's edicts of the 3rd century. Not before that. Please keep out original research. Other than this, almost everything is wrong about this template. Its also very difficult to edit without breaking something else. Chalukyas for example are from the 5-6th century but have been pushed into the 8th century! Satavahanas who ruled over Karnataka and AP apart from Maharashtra and other parts dont even find a place in the Southern kingdoms! I tried fixing all this but this template is too confusing to edit. I'll try editing it again later maybe, but for now I will be removing the original research added by Wubbabubba. Sarvagnya 22:10, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- Actually many sources including Tamil literature, Roman and Greek travellers including Megasthenes (350 BCE - 290 BCE) (4th century BCE) in his Indica mention the Pandyan kingdom before Ashoka. So try getting your facts right. Wubbabubba 09:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- Other sources as well as Ceylon history points to the existence of the Pandyan kingdom from atleast the 6th century BCE. Although there are very few mentions for this 6th century BCE period that are present and completely reliable, this all points towards the unknown ancient antiquity, like with the Cholas and Cheras, of the Pandyan dynasty.Wubbabubba 10:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- Greek accounts, Sangam literature, 6th BCE. Please. Where are your sources? Even Pandyas contradicts your claims. I'll be removing it unless you show exceptional evidence for your exceptional claims. And ofcourse, like I've said before, the whole template is royally messed up, not just Pandyas. Sarvagnya 20:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- Can you read? Read my posts again before you revert. See what I wrote ABOVE, as well as BELOW. Pandya dynasty (of unknown antiquity) have been put in the 4th century BCE bracket for now. Read Britannica article on Pandyas.Pandya dynasty Learn some history. If you insist on pushing your POV, and reverting, I will be forced to seek administrative action. Wubbabubba 08:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- Greek accounts, Sangam literature, 6th BCE. Please. Where are your sources? Even Pandyas contradicts your claims. I'll be removing it unless you show exceptional evidence for your exceptional claims. And ofcourse, like I've said before, the whole template is royally messed up, not just Pandyas. Sarvagnya 20:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- Other sources as well as Ceylon history points to the existence of the Pandyan kingdom from atleast the 6th century BCE. Although there are very few mentions for this 6th century BCE period that are present and completely reliable, this all points towards the unknown ancient antiquity, like with the Cholas and Cheras, of the Pandyan dynasty.Wubbabubba 10:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- For compromise, I have placed Pandyan dynasty in the 4th century BCE bracket for now (during Megasthenes' time). Wubbabubba 11:03, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- 4th century? eh. THIS is your latest edit and unless I am seeing things, the Pandyas have yet again been pushed back to 5th century BCE. What do you take readers for? Not just Pandyas, Cholas and Cheras too. Your dating is at odds even with the info on Pandya, Chola and Chera. Unless you can provide sources, I will be tagging the article. Sarvagnya 16:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- Actually many sources including Tamil literature, Roman and Greek travellers including Megasthenes (350 BCE - 290 BCE) (4th century BCE) in his Indica mention the Pandyan kingdom before Ashoka. So try getting your facts right. Wubbabubba 09:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Southern Kingdoms
This section is a little confusing. Many dynasties and kingdoms existed at the same time as others, during different points in history, controlling different parts of the southern peninsula etc. It might need a review. Wubbabubba 10:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Gandhara
Gandhara needs to be added under foreign kingdoms--D-Boy 11:20, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
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- Hi. As far as I know, Gandhara is only a geographical location, not a kingdom. Regards. PHG 19:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- Nope, read the article. it exsisted around 6th cnetury BCE.--D-Boy 11:20, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
