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Contents 1 Improvement 2 Revision 3 months and days? 4 1957 All-Star Game 5 Hearsay 6 2010 and beyond 7 1972 game at "Atlanta Stadium" 8 Controversy about the roster selection 9 "Oddities" Section 10 The Section "Major League Baseball All-Star Games (1933-present)" is starting to make the page too big

[edit] Improvement

Some things that need work on this page:

• How is the venue for the game chosen?
• Who gets home-field advantage at the All-Star game?
• History of the All-Star Game: when was it first played, whose idea was it, has it gone on continually.
• Interesting games: some notable games, such as 2002's 11-inning tie game
• Controversial All-Star Games: apparently Pete Rose ruined someone's career at the 1970 All-Star game.

-- ESP 19:55 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Revision

Also needing some revision: Lineups have not always been chosen by fan voting; in discussing the various methods of selection over the years, there should probably be some mention of the Cincinnati ballot-stuffing in 1961(?) as well as the recent changes involving selections of reserves by the players.

And at some point, lineups of each game will be most useful (a big project for someone out there).

The 1970 incident was Ray Fosse, BTW.

[edit] months and days?

If someone has the data, we need to add the months and days of each game. Kingturtle 00:24, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

all the dates can be found here, if someone wants to add them: http://baseball-almanac.com/asgmenu.shtml 69.19.14.23 21:55, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1957 All-Star Game

There is some inconsistency in the article regarding the 1957 game. The parts of the article regarding ballot box stuffing say that the fans of the host Cincinnati Reds stuffed the ballot box. However, the list of All-Star Games later in the article, as well as MLB.com, state that the 1957 game was held in St. Louis. I have been bold and corrected these mistakes. Also, lineups for all the All-Star Games throughout history can be found at MLB.com, as well as at Retrosheet. - Gujuguy 04:15, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hearsay

I think the bolded part of this line ...

• Manager selection (second): After the final vote, the manager and the Commissioner's Office will replace players who are injured or declined to participate. Each major league team is guaranteed to have at least one player selected to participate, though single players from poor teams are occasionally not used (Detroit's Carlos Guillén, in 2004, was the last to be selected and not be put into the game by the manager)."

is hearsay and s/b removed. Anyone agree? -- CPAScott 01:41, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Maybe. They've got this new "last to be selected" gimmick, however, where fans can vote online for the last addition to the roster, so they can actually prove who the last to be selected is (which is a pretty dubious honour, if you think about it). In terms of managers not playing players they deem unworthy, that probably is conjecture, as most managers want to make sure everybody gets to play (although they can't promise!). Wencer 00:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2010 and beyond

I re-added a "Future sites" section, but to keep it from developing into an ugly hairball like the last time we did this, i'm going to try to keep it to just the confirmed sites, where someone can point to an official and explicit Selig quote. There's an HTML comment in the section explaining this. What do you think? --Mike Schiraldi 18:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 1972 game at "Atlanta Stadium"

I ran across info regarding the original name of Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium - it was Atlanta Stadium until 1976. I changed it on the stadium page and the Braves & Falcons team pages. The Braves webstite mentions the name change: http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/atl/ballpark/history.jsp. And there is a picture from the 1972 ASG program: http://www.the-forum.com/COLLECT/allstar.htm which relates more to this article. And yes, the MLB site says "Fulton County," but the evidence says otherwise.EC2 15:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy about the roster selection

I would like to add this section to the "roster" section in the article, about the home field advantage associated with the All Star Game:

"Another contentious issue occured after 2003 when it was decided that the result of the All Star Game would decide home field advantage for the World Series. It has been argued that the baseball writers and owners ought to have more of a say in determining the rosters, because the game contributes towards the World Series."

Does anybody have any improvements or reservations about this passage? Andy4226uk 23:43, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

• Why not? It sounds fine to me. TashTish 03:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Oddities" Section

As I was updating chronology and consistency I noticed that some of the items in the section aren't "odd." I think we can decide on a better name for this section. Coolbrook76 16:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

• Well, someone put a TRIVIA box, I assume in response this section. The items seem to be "out of the ordinary" and therefore the title "Oddities" to me is appropriate. Furthermore, I really don't see how all these facts, some very minor, can be gracefully incorporated into other sections of the text. (Unlike others, I feel a TRIVIA section serves a purpose for many articles.) So I suggest not only keeping the "Oddities" title, but also ousting the TRIVIA box. TashTish 03:52, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
• I ended up placing the Trivia tag back on here for further discussion here as it seems to kinda apear to be like one PEr WP:TRIV. Some of the big problems with this section is that 1. Most of the items listed are not referenced or cited, 2. The name of the section seems to imploy that it is a trivia section perhaps renaminging it to "Notable Moments in All Star Game History" There seems to be some Trival facts that do make this seem like a trivia section like the statment "As of the 2006 All-Star Game, the cumulative run totals for all 77 games played was 652: 326 runs for the American League, 326 for the National.". I do think that reformating the section and putting the Dates on the front of each of the staments would make it more like a proper list than a Trivia Section. And Example of my idea is below:

• 1945 In 1945, with severe wartime travel restrictions in effect, the All-Star Game scheduled to be played at Boston's Fenway Park was canceled.
• 1959-1962 There were two All-Star Games played each season from 1959 to 1962. The second game was added to raise money for the players' pension funds, as well as other causes.

So what do you guys think of the example and idea?Sawblade05 21:29, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Some of the "oddities", at least, are essentially restating or elaborating on stuff that's already in the article. First weed out the redundancies and/or interweave them into the list, then see what's left. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 00:30, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, I did some of that work. Take a look. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 02:47, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Section "Major League Baseball All-Star Games (1933-present)" is starting to make the page too big

I am posting this as I think that section should be split off into a separate article. The problem is that the page is getting near the size of where sections should be split into per WP:LENGTH and this page is currently at 55,771 bytes as of my post and theres alot of sources to be cited on this page which would make the page well over 60 KB long after citing them. I did a test split in the Wikipedia:Tutorial (Editing)/sandbox to see how big this page would be afterwards and the new size was 25,722 bytes well withing the Guideline of WP:LENGTH. Now if that section is to be split into its own page what shall we call it because I don't quite think naming it Major League Baseball All-Star Games (1933-present) would work to well in the long run. Sawblade05 22:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree. Then all the game notes or "trivia" could also be moved to that article and kept in context with the games, and restrict this article to its general history and how the teams and sites are selected. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 02:47, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the results should be moved to a new page. Two caveats: Currently, the date and result of each game is squished into one column (dates for future games, results for past games). I think we should split this into two columns. Also, i think the "Confirmed Future Sites" section should be moved to the new page and immediately follow the table. --Mike Schiraldi 17:14, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, anything to do with the schedule could be moved to the new page. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 17:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I am working on revising this table to place on a new page. You can see my revision in progress here. I am proposing on naming the new page MLB All Star Game Results. Shawn W 02:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I moved the table to MLB All Star Game Results. This table is still under an edit, so please feel free to make the changes. Shawn W 19:18, 25 October 2007 (UTC)